On 9/4/2020 6:00 PM, Stefan Krah wrote:
> It is not hyperbolic at all. You can get permissions for a certain set
> of modules (the stdlib), but not for PyPI packages.
>
> Of course the upgrade is not via the network, that is beside the point.
Besides upgrades of existing systems, there are also new installs to consider.  
To totally remove this functionality is force such new systems to continue 
using older versions.  This is not hypothetical hyperbolic in the least.  In 
the software field I work in, I deal with limited internet connectivity all the 
time.  My single biggest software development problem is software dependencies 
that assume a full blown internet connection under all circumstances.  Even in 
2020, that is not always wanted or advisable.

--Edwin Zimmerman

>
> On Fri, Sep 04, 2020 at 02:56:07PM -0700, Emily Bowman wrote:
>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 10:31 AM Stefan Krah <ste...@bytereef.org> wrote:
>>
>>> All the time, especially when I'm writing them. I imagine that there's
>>> a huge amount of internal company code that discourages use of pip
>>> installed packages as well.  Or has an air-gapped network in the first
>>> place.
>>>
>> That's wildly hyperbolic; not only will Python retain distutils through
>> 3.11, any "airgapped" build will rest on an existing build that cannot be
>> upgraded, so dependencies are a moot point.
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