On Sun, Mar 27, 2022 at 3:08 AM Paul Moore <p.f.mo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > 3. Overall, I think the days where "battery included" was a positive > argument are over > > > > I strongly disagree. Being able to download something and immediately > get something to work and see results is hugely > > rewarding; on the other hand, having to research, find, compare & > contrast available third-party modules (especially for > > new-comers) can be extremely discouraging. > exactly - let's say someone needs to write some JSON for the first time. With the json package included, all they need to do is `import json`. If that wasn't there, they's look in PyPi for a JSON implementation, and find an absolutely astonishing number of options. I just did a search for "JSON" on PYPI, and it's HUGE -- most of them are for specialized JSON-using protocols of some sort. I was actually really surprised that couple I know about of the top of my head (ujson, orjson) are actually hard to find. "You can just pip install it" is really not a good solution. In fact, this is an example, I think, of where we should put some effort into making the included batteries better -- it's great to have a JSON lib built in, but it's too bad that it's not best-of-bread by pretty much any definition (speed, memory performance, flexibility) -- there are quite a few feature requests open for it -- it would be nice to actually implement some of those. (but yes, that's a lot of work that someone(s) would have to do) Back to the topic at hand, rather than remove urllib, maybe it could be made better -- an as-easy-to-use-as-requests package in the stdlib would be really great. -CHB -- Christopher Barker, PhD (Chris) Python Language Consulting - Teaching - Scientific Software Development - Desktop GUI and Web Development - wxPython, numpy, scipy, Cython
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