Time for a __legacy__ package? Kind regards, Steve
On Sun, Mar 27, 2022 at 7:06 PM Paul Moore <p.f.mo...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 at 17:11, Christopher Barker <python...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > With the json package included, all they need to do is `import json`. If > that wasn't there, they's look in PyPi for a JSON implementation, and find > an absolutely astonishing number of options. I just did a search for "JSON" > > on PYPI, and it's HUGE -- most of them are for specialized JSON-using > protocols of some sort. I was actually really surprised that couple I know > about of the top of my head (ujson, orjson) are actually hard to find. > > > > "You can just pip install it" is really not a good solution. > > > > In fact, this is an example, I think, of where we should put some effort > into making the included batteries better -- it's great to have a JSON lib > built in, but it's too bad that it's not best-of-bread by pretty much any > definition (speed, memory performance, flexibility) -- there are quite a > few feature requests open for it -- it would be nice to actually implement > some of those. (but yes, that's a lot of work that someone(s) would have to > do) > > > > Back to the topic at hand, rather than remove urllib, maybe it could be > made better -- an as-easy-to-use-as-requests package in the stdlib would be > really great. > > I think that's where the mistake happens, though. Someone who needs > "best of breed" is motivated (and likely knowledgeable enough) to make > informed decisions about what's on PyPI. But someone who just wants to > get the job done probably doesn't - and that's the audience for the > stdlib. A stdlib module needs to be a good, reliable set of basic > functionality that non-experts can use successfully. There can be > better libraries on PyPI, but that doesn't mean the stdlib module is > unnecessary, nor does it mean that the stdlib has to match the PyPI > library feature for feature. > > So here, specifically, I'd rather see urlllib be the best urlllib it > can be, and not demand that it turn into requests. Requests is there > if people need/want it (as is httpx, and urllib3, and aiohttp). But > urllib is for people who want to get a file from the web, and *not* > have to deal with dependencies, 3rd party libraries, etc. > > The "batteries included" standard library and PyPI complement each > other. Neither is redundant, and neither implies the other is > unnecessary. > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org > To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ > Message archived at > https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/E2FGXTYOEYLC6GSJGMWBQKHOO62LZPHQ/ > Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ >
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