On 10/08/2018 07:43 AM, Rhodri James wrote:
I appreciate that the moderators are volunteers, but they have official
power on this list. Being volunteers doesn't mean that they can't get
it wrong, or that we shouldn't call them on it when they do.
I completely agree.
They have got things wrong,
I completely disagree.
and I have called them on it.
Yes, you and a few others -- and nobody has actually talked (emailed) us
directly, but rather talked *about* us on the list [1].
The response has
been... I'm trying not to say "patronising" because I'm fairly sure it
wasn't meant that way, but "I'm sorry you feel that way" made me feel
patronised.
You're right, I didn't mean it that way, and I apologize.
To briefly explain our decisions of late:
Suspending D'Aprano:
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His public post to me was shared with several people, including
moderators of others lists, and it was unanimously agreed that his post
was completely unacceptable and a two month suspension was appropriate.
I restarted that suspension because, according to his own words, "I am
ignoring the ban in this instance"; had he emailed me privately I would
have correctly posted the notice to the list; had he not said that and
just posted I would have fixed the filter and left the suspension alone
(he posts from comp.lang.python).
Suspending Mark Lawrence:
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He has a history of posting attacks. I sent him a private warning, he
responded a couple days later with another attack.
Suspending BartC:
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Many, if not most, of his posts' primary relation to Python was how his
personal language was better. The resulting threads seemed to be
largely unfriendly, unproductive, and unnecessary.
Banning Rick Johnson:
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Hopefully no explanation needed [2].
Shutting down threads:
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There is a problem with threads getting heated and people not exercising
self-control and posting inappropriately. That makes the list
unwelcoming. As soon as we feel that that is happening we are going to
shut down the thread. Personal attacks and name-calling are not
appropriate and will not be tolerated. The goal is not to shut down
debate -- as long as the debate stays civil it will get no moderation
action. If a thread is shut down and you feel there is more to be
(civilly) said -- wait a couple days so everyone can cool off, and then
start a new thread.
Hopefully you now agree with our decisions, or at least support us in
them. If you don't, I actually am sorry -- I would much rather have
your support (and everyone's). Either way, we are not changing our
minds about them.
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~Ethan~
Python List Moderator
[1] Please correct me if I'm wrong.
[2] If one is needed: his posts can contain profanity, personal attacks,
condescension, and completely inappropriate language.
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