On Mon, 08 Oct 2018 12:46:48 -0700, Ethan Furman wrote: > On 10/08/2018 07:43 AM, Rhodri James wrote: > >> I appreciate that the moderators are volunteers, but they have official >> power on this list. Being volunteers doesn't mean that they can't get >> it wrong, or that we shouldn't call them on it when they do. > > I completely agree. > >> They have got things wrong, > > I completely disagree. from my reading the general feeling in the community would not support this > >> and I have called them on it. > > Yes, you and a few others -- and nobody has actually talked (emailed) us > directly, but rather talked *about* us on the list [1]. > >> The response has been... I'm trying not to say "patronising" because >> I'm fairly sure it wasn't meant that way, but "I'm sorry you feel that >> way" made me feel patronised. > > You're right, I didn't mean it that way, and I apologize. > > To briefly explain our decisions of late: > > Suspending D'Aprano: > ------------------- > His public post to me was shared with several people, including > moderators of others lists, and it was unanimously agreed that his post > was completely unacceptable and a two month suspension was appropriate. > I restarted that suspension because, according to his own words, "I am > ignoring the ban in this instance"; had he emailed me privately I would > have correctly posted the notice to the list; had he not said that and > just posted I would have fixed the filter and left the suspension alone > (he posts from comp.lang.python).
after it be cam apparent that you had made an error, & the general feeling that the ban was a bit harsh it would have be far more beneficial to you reputation to have rescinded the ban on this occasion with a public warning regarding the claimed unacceptable behaviour. as it was your response of I made a mistake so I am going to restart the ban simply makes you look like a petulant child, I am sorely tempted to kill file you now myself. > > Suspending Mark Lawrence: > ------------------------ > He has a history of posting attacks. I sent him a private warning, he > responded a couple days later with another attack. > > Suspending BartC: > ---------------- > Many, if not most, of his posts' primary relation to Python was how his > personal language was better. The resulting threads seemed to be > largely unfriendly, unproductive, and unnecessary. > > Banning Rick Johnson: > -------------------- > Hopefully no explanation needed [2]. > > Shutting down threads: > --------------------- > There is a problem with threads getting heated and people not exercising > self-control and posting inappropriately. That makes the list > unwelcoming. As soon as we feel that that is happening we are going to > shut down the thread. Personal attacks and name-calling are not > appropriate and will not be tolerated. The goal is not to shut down > debate -- as long as the debate stays civil it will get no moderation > action. If a thread is shut down and you feel there is more to be > (civilly) said -- wait a couple days so everyone can cool off, and then > start a new thread. > > Hopefully you now agree with our decisions, or at least support us in > them. If you don't, I actually am sorry -- I would much rather have > your support (and everyone's). Either way, we are not changing our > minds about them. > > -- > ~Ethan~ > Python List Moderator > > > > [1] Please correct me if I'm wrong. > > [2] If one is needed: his posts can contain profanity, personal attacks, > condescension, and completely inappropriate language. -- What about WRITING it first and rationalizing it afterwords? :-) -- Larry Wall in <8...@jpl-devvax.jpl.nasa.gov> -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list