Well sure,

applying the new proposed rules to this list would
make my list redundant.

But, currently, it IS permissible on this list to
post messages that say things like "your an idiot"
or "this is off topic", "this has nothing to do with
qmail".

I don't know who is the list owner or if the list
owner is even remotely interested in making rules that
make it impermissable for users to ridicule other
subscribers or berate them for having too broad
an interpretation of topicality.

Of course I would gladly welcome an interest from
the current list owner to do this as it would improve
the list.

I do know that as a list owner I would not permit such
postings and would be happy to recieve the broadly
interpreted emails relating to qmail enencumbered.

I feel that part of what I am missing from the list
is the unsaid, the emails which have been self-censored
for fear of being made to feel stupid, or rudely off-topic.
I wish to liberate those folks.

As for forking, yes, it's a problem but not an insoluble one.
Whenever someone posts something on qmail crypto that is
off-topic, I can chime in and suggest that they bring it on
over to my list for anyone who is interested.

In the spirit of open-sourceness, my intention is to exercise
my freedom to start something new which I think is better. In
that same spirit of open-sourceness I would be very very happy
if the current list broadened it's narrow definition of on-topicness
and excluded those who would wish to be the enforcers of topicality
or otherwise ridicule others. They can do as they please on qmail
crypto

As a subscriber, I would cross-post to both lists, excluding things that
are off-topic on the qmail crypto list which employs a very narrow
interpretation.

For me, it would be no problem to keep them separate. I use
virtual mail for filtering. I subscribe to many different
mailing lists, each of which I use a different email address.
So I filter based on what email address is sent to, thus
filtering by mailing list.

Alex Miller

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Albert Hopkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 11:10 AM
> To: Alex Miller
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Qmail@List. Cr. Yp. To
> Subject: RE: New qmail list et al
> 
> 
> On Wed, 30 Jun 1999, Alex Miller wrote:
> 
> > One difference:
> > 
> > On this list it is permissable to send an email that says:
> > "Your an idiot"
> > "That is off-topic"
> > "That is way off-topic"
> > "Take it elsewhere"
> > "RTFM"
> > "Your posting is against the rules of this list"
> > 
> 
> For the majority of posting on this list, however, I think that we do not
> see this.  It does not appear to be as big as a problem as I've seen on
> other lists.
> 
> I think a more practical solution would be to have this rule apply to the
> current mailing list.  I would like to avoid "forking" the list.  The
> reasons are simple.
> 
> 1. Those only subscribed to one list risk missing ideas/solutions/etc
>    presented in another.
> 
> 2. Those subscribed to both lists risk receiving redundant information.
> 
> If it's not splitting up a mailing list into different subjects to lower
> traffic or provide more specialized topics then it is generally a bad
> idea.
> 
> --
> Albert Hopkins
> Sr. Systems Specialist
> Dynacare, Inc
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 

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