I never said I didn't understand linux. I said I don't know what Adam's "basic networking daemons" knowledge of which are required to install qmail. The current list stands at 2, inetd, and tcpserver. I'm sure there are more but Adam's not saying anything other than saying that they exist. I can certainly come up with a list of general unix skills that someone should have to install qmail. That's much easier. I am not a mind reader though, and don't know Adam's secret list. Here are the skills I think someone should have. How to untar tarballs. How to use RPM binary installs (well not for qmail actually) How to use RPM source installs How to use less. How to use chmod. How to use chown. How to use man. How to use export. Understanding file permissions. How to use rc.local If someone already knows these things, they probably know enough to install qmail currently, although if they have a firewall, they might not get pop3 working easily. If they have to study up on these things they probably don't have a broad enough knowledge to do it without a lot of trouble. Care to add to the list? I'm going to make a website on things you should know, skills you should have, before attempting to install qmail. I'll devote a special section called Adam's famous "basic networking daemons" that you must understand to install qmail (or something like that, I'll be sure to quote Adam verbatim so everyone will give him proper credit) Alex Miller > -----Original Message----- > From: stevec [mailto:stevec]On Behalf Of Stephen C. Comoletti > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 1999 5:16 PM > To: Alex Miller > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Howto > > > Alex Miller wrote:> read your linux manual to learn how to use your > > > > > What exactly is a "Linux Manual", do I type "man linux" at the keyboard. > > Do I throw away my two books titled "how to set up a Linux > Internet Server" > > or "Linux System Administration", in favor of one called "Linux Manual" > > > > Or should I throw away the stuff I read on the internet that convinced > > me that I should go with QMail rather than Sendmail like: > > > > "QMail is modular and built with security in mind." > > "QMail is faster than sendmail" > > "QMail handles virtualhosts easily" > > "EZMLM is built on top of QMail" > > > > So, what Linux Manual are you refering to? > > Please give me a break. Thats nit picking. You know darn well > what was meant by > linux manual. I guess we need to put everything in the most > simple terms for > those that are apparently challenged or are just ignorant? You > need to lighten > up, take a break, and relax. Your taking this all way to serously. > > What I said, and what was implied is that you are running two > packages (linux > as the os, qmail for mail). You need to understand both packages, but more > importantly you need to understand the OS itself before you can > add packages > like qmail. That linux comes with sendmail means nothing. The > facts showing > qmails track record, and those items you read on the internet are > valid and > still stand. They have no impact whatsoever on the fact that they mean > *nothing* if you dont understand the system you are trying to > install them on. > A poorly setup or improperly setup qmail is as much a nightmare > as any sendmail > rpm out of the box. You can not blame the fact that one os is > different from > another on a lack of docs from the package your trying to install > on that os. > > If you still are unable to find any linux docs, here are a few > sites. It took > me all of a minute or 2 to get these. I'm sure any Sys admin with > a clue could > have found this information just as quickly. Here is your manual. > Do with it > what you will. > > http://www.troutman.org/linux/ > http://www.linux.org/help/index.html > http://www.linux.org/help/ldp.html > > > > > > > Alex Miller > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: stevec [mailto:stevec]On Behalf Of Stephen C. Comoletti > > > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 1999 3:44 PM > > > To: Alex Miller > > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: Howto > > > > > > > > > Alex Miller wrote: > > > > > > > I assume you made a typo when you compared my reading the QMail > > > > documentation when attempting to install QMail to learning to > > > use your car > > > > by reading your car stereo manual. > > > > > > I believe the point was that you read your car manual to see > > > where the power > > > connects are for the stereo your also reading a manual for to > > > install. Or, in > > > other words, read your linux manual to learn how to use your > > > inetd correctly > > > while you read the qmail manual as you install it. Even better > > > question, why > > > are you not using the tcp server package anyway? > > > > > > > > > > Question: since, as you say, every competent system > > > administrator needs to > > > > know the syntax of the base networking deamons his system uses, > > > why don't > > > > you save us idiots some time. The following could be included > > > in the QMail > > > > documentation since it is required knowledge. > > > > > > > > "To get the syntax of any system daemon, for example inetd, > > > type "man inetd" > > > > at the system prompt. > > > > > > > > > > Again, rtfm. If you do not know how to use or interact with the > > > OS you run, > > > then you should not be installing packages like qmail and many > > > many others. > > > Qmail should not be responsible for educating everyone in every > > > flavor of *nix. > > > Thats about like saying when you got your pilots license, they > > > were responsible > > > for teaching you how to fly all types of planes from a cessna to > > > a 747. It's > > > not bloody likely is it? > > > > > > You know, looking at it, this entire thread is rather > ridiculous. The list > > > works fine when used properly. Ask an intelligent question, get > > > an intelligent > > > answer. For those new to the scene, most of us are quite > > > forgiving. I know I've > > > had my share of idiotic questions. But I didn't go off on a rant > > > about a new or > > > better list when I didn't get an answer either. As I see it, you > > > now have you > > > answer, and also a rather loud opinion on your views of the list. > > > Is it not > > > time to end this rant and get on with something productive? > > > > > > -- > > > Stephen Comoletti > > > Systems Administrator > > > Delanet, Inc. http://www.delanet.com > > > ph: (302) 326-5800 fax: (302) 326-5802 > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Stephen Comoletti > Systems Administrator > Delanet, Inc. http://www.delanet.com > ph: (302) 326-5800 fax: (302) 326-5802 > > >
