At 08:56 AM 3/27/2001, TAG wrote:
>HI ALL,

Greetings,


>I am shocked and appalled at the absolute lack of courtesy, help and
>sympathy that is on this list.  I have been here a while and while there
>comes a few newbies that can really ask some dumb questions - we were
>all there once...

There is a distinct difference between someone who genuine doesn't know and 
someone that just doesn't read documentation.  "How do i get qmail to start 
at boot?" is a classic example of  someone not reading LFQ.


>Have some patience and help those less experienced than yourselves.  If
>you do not like this - BUGGER OFF...

It gets tiring to see the same 5 questions......recently someone asked me 
off list that LFQ didn't cover apache with PHP installation.  I said that 
there was reason for this.  APACHE AND PHP AREN'T EVEN RE MOTLEY RELATED TO 
QMAIL!!!!!!


>Those that do not RTFM (read the F'ing manual) sometimes do not have the
>time or the knowhow on where to find it - and that is why we have a
>mailing list - so we can ask others that know - and stop this needless
>bickering and band together.

If you can't find a web site i'm surprised if you can boot lilo.  Chances 
you got qmail from qmail.org...and what else is on qmail.org?...a whole 
section for documentation.  Its very hard to miss...theres only about 30 
links there :-)

If you don't know how to read man pages use ./configure or make or learn to 
find documentation then you shouldn't even be looking at LINUX or other 
UNIX.  (And for all those of you that are wondering, NO! Qmail will NOT run 
on Windows. :-))  It comes down to laziness and i think that a newbie qmail 
list would be good.  I wouldn't subscribe...but it give the newbies a 
chance to work together and figure out how to read documentation. :-)


>Sorry to those who are offended - but thats tough ...

I don't feel that its offensive...I have posted much worse to the 
misc@openbsd list. :-)

>Thanks
>Tonino

~kurth


>Russell Nelson wrote:
> >
> > Sumith writes:
> >  > Mr. Robin is trying to discourage newbies like me from asking for help.
> >
> > No, he's trying to get you to try to help yourself FIRST.
> >
> >  > And regarding the question I posted, I figured it out....
> >
> > See?  You wasted our time because with a little more work, you
> > answered your own question.
> >

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