Thanks, John...I been kinda taking that approach too, and try to help my doc 
determine what anti-biotics since my lab seldom gets the culture test right.    
   Dan

"John S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:          I don't usually wait on the lab. 
I start by taking bactrim DS if I have a fun infection with a lot of debris. 
Bactrim DS is strong stuff and I have pretty good luck at taking it for 3-5 
days for results. If it is real red and smelly I take Ciprofloxin. If I take 
either one and nothing happens in two days I switch to the other one. I usually 
pick the right one. The lab usually comes back with a newer drug 
recommendation. I've actually had the lab come back saying there was no 
infection. I figure labs make mistakes, too. There is an artform to obtaining a 
good sample for them.
  If I have 2 or 3 organizims I go with Cipro because it is more broad 
spectrum. It just kills everything. Always follow anti biotics with acidopholus 
about an hour later. This replaces the good bacteria you just annihalated. Anti 
biotics don't determine good from bad, they kill it all. That is why it so 
often causes constipation or the opposite. I don't need a lab to tell me I have 
an infection and I only send samples when I can't get results or I haven't seen 
this before. (such as black urine)
As you see, I too play a guessing game. I just don't wait for a lab tech to 
tell me when to begin. ;) My cultures take a week usually. I got some apple 
cider vinegar. I've been trying different vinegars. Got to be carefull. Some 
vinegar will make my bowels move faster than any laxative. I think the wine 
helps too as long as it is done in moderation.
  If someone else does most of their own treating of infections and has a 
different approach, please put in your two cents. I've had doctors disagree 
about letting me have my own anti biotics. 
  Final tip: keep records of how you treat infections. Include your diet and 
drinks as well as vital statistics. Describe your urine and bowel movements. My 
doctor loves those details. He seems to be very good at finding solutions when 
he has good details about your life. I try to keep a daily chart even when I 
feel fine. I think it helps me to see when I'm eating too much junk. Helped me 
spot Senna as the reason my urine turned black.
I hope that helps Dan. 
   
  Good luck,
  john
   
   
   
  ----- Original Message ----
From: Danny Hearn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: John S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [email protected]
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 5:41:02 PM
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] About Apple Cider Vinegar and All the Health Benefits

  Hey John.........did you ever get your culture back to see what kind of 
bacteria infection you have? Mine came back saying more than 3 organisms,, so 
my doctor is just guessing having me on macrobid because it has worked twice in 
the past.  I'm going to have my doctor tell the Lab to IDENTIFY ALL Organisms 
from now on..............because they Always throw mine out saying more than 2 
or 3 organisms. Then we play a guessing game on how to treat it.
                                                                                
          Dan

"John S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
      I knew a nurse that would use a vinegar and honey or royal jelly 
concoction of her own on wounds and red areas and I wish I knew what all was in 
it. Many wounds would heal with people never doing any bedrest. (The doctors 
backed her as long as patients didn't have any complaints.)
  Nobody ever claims vinegar does miricles but all quads should drink some once 
every few days. It is another of those anti-infectives. Like anything else you 
use as a medication, keep track of how you use it.
  I've heard it used by paras after they intermittant cath themselves by 
injecting it mixed with sterile water and drawing it back out with a syring. 
  I think someone in an early e-mail asked how you test the Ph of your urine. 
You can buy Ph test strip at any Rx. You dip it in a urine sample and after 10 
seconds you match the color to the the colors on the dispenser to establish 
your Ph. You can save yourself a lot of doctor visits with anti-infectives.
I think, if you have an aid to help you, you can learn what you can do to feel 
good without needing strong anti biotics and pain meds. 

  john

  ----- Original Message ----
From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [email protected]
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 3:04:53 PM
Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] About Apple Cider Vinegar and All the Health Benefits

    Vinegar is 5% acid.  Anything more is not vinegar, but rather another 
product.
  Check to bottle or container.
  Best Wishes
  W
   
   
   
   
   
  In a message dated 9/17/2007 2:01:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] writes:
    Dan,
  Vinegars are as varied as wines. Yes, they are made to drink and have claimed 
medicinal powers since ancient greeks. The idea is to find a balance. Even 
using them topically is common in some books on healing. I don't know which 
wine or vinegar is best for which infection, but I'm certain there is a book on 
it. many vinegars are delightful tasting and very good for you. Chianti wine is 
suppose to be served warm with honey but I've heard it is good for skin 
problems. Explains the taste. Let me know what you find out if you decide to 
get into it. My arthritis is not responding to anything. Good luck
   
  john


  
   



    
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