Some folks attribute serious healing power to apple cider and other types of vinegar. It works well as a mild anti infective where it is used as a rinse or cleanser. It doesn't touch most serious bacteria so I classify it mostly as something to keep your body's Ph in balance by drinking some in much the same way you might drink wine. Repetitious UTI's need anti-biotics and it is worth it to get Ph strips from the Rx and take vitamin C until your urine reaches the proper acidic level. I personally only need about 1 gram of vitamin C a day. When I had an indwelling catheter I was taking 6grams (6000 mgs). I supplemented it with mendelamine. This is the trick. With mendelamine you must keep the proper Ph level. It actually turns to a mild formaldehyde in your bladder. So you must drink plenty of water. If your doctor wants you to take anti-biotics prophylactically, ask that he rotates several anti-biotics. Don't forget to take acidopholus following anti biotics. If you havent had an IVP in a long time, this could do you a lot of good. There are drugs to wash small stones from your kidneys that can be a source of re-infection. http://www.anytestkits.com/utk-ph-of-urine.htm this site explains urine Ph testing and it can be a cheap way to get out in front of the next infection and even prevent it. I wish you the very best Silas. I know how miserable those infections can be.
john ----- Original Message ---- From: Silas Shelburne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: John S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 8:03:13 AM Subject: RE: [QUAD-L] About Apple Cider Vinegar and All the Health Benefits What dose of apple cider vinegar do guys take, I too have constant utis. Silas From: John S. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 9:46 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] About Apple Cider Vinegar and All the Health Benefits I don't usually wait on the lab. I start by taking bactrim DS if I have a fun infection with a lot of debris. Bactrim DS is strong stuff and I have pretty good luck at taking it for 3-5 days for results. If it is real red and smelly I take Ciprofloxin. If I take either one and nothing happens in two days I switch to the other one. I usually pick the right one. The lab usually comes back with a newer drug recommendation. I've actually had the lab come back saying there was no infection. I figure labs make mistakes, too. There is an artform to obtaining a good sample for them. If I have 2 or 3 organizims I go with Cipro because it is more broad spectrum. It just kills everything. Always follow anti biotics with acidopholus about an hour later. This replaces the good bacteria you just annihalated. Anti biotics don't determine good from bad, they kill it all. That is why it so often causes constipation or the opposite. I don't need a lab to tell me I have an infection and I only send samples when I can't get results or I haven't seen this before. (such as black urine) As you see, I too play a guessing game. I just don't wait for a lab tech to tell me when to begin. ;) My cultures take a week usually. I got some apple cider vinegar. I've been trying different vinegars. Got to be carefull. Some vinegar will make my bowels move faster than any laxative. I think the wine helps too as long as it is done in moderation. If someone else does most of their own treating of infections and has a different approach, please put in your two cents. I've had doctors disagree about letting me have my own anti biotics. Final tip: keep records of how you treat infections. Include your diet and drinks as well as vital statistics. Describe your urine and bowel movements. My doctor loves those details. He seems to be very good at finding solutions when he has good details about your life. I try to keep a daily chart even when I feel fine. I think it helps me to see when I'm eating too much junk. Helped me spot Senna as the reason my urine turned black. I hope that helps Dan. Good luck, john ----- Original Message ---- From: Danny Hearn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: John S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [email protected] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 5:41:02 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] About Apple Cider Vinegar and All the Health Benefits Hey John.........did you ever get your culture back to see what kind of bacteria infection you have? Mine came back saying more than 3 organisms,, so my doctor is just guessing having me on macrobid because it has worked twice in the past. I'm going to have my doctor tell the Lab to IDENTIFY ALL Organisms from now on..............because they Always throw mine out saying more than 2 or 3 organisms. Then we play a guessing game on how to treat it. Dan "John S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I knew a nurse that would use a vinegar and honey or royal jelly concoction of her own on wounds and red areas and I wish I knew what all was in it. Many wounds would heal with people never doing any bedrest. (The doctors backed her as long as patients didn't have any complaints.) Nobody ever claims vinegar does miricles but all quads should drink some once every few days. It is another of those anti-infectives. Like anything else you use as a medication, keep track of how you use it. I've heard it used by paras after they intermittant cath themselves by injecting it mixed with sterile water and drawing it back out with a syring. I think someone in an early e-mail asked how you test the Ph of your urine. You can buy Ph test strip at any Rx. You dip it in a urine sample and after 10 seconds you match the color to the the colors on the dispenser to establish your Ph. You can save yourself a lot of doctor visits with anti-infectives. I think, if you have an aid to help you, you can learn what you can do to feel good without needing strong anti biotics and pain meds. john ----- Original Message ---- From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [email protected] Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 3:04:53 PM Subject: Re: [QUAD-L] About Apple Cider Vinegar and All the Health Benefits Vinegar is 5% acid. Anything more is not vinegar, but rather another product. Check to bottle or container. Best Wishes W In a message dated 9/17/2007 2:01:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dan, Vinegars are as varied as wines. Yes, they are made to drink and have claimed medicinal powers since ancient greeks. The idea is to find a balance. Even using them topically is common in some books on healing. I don't know which wine or vinegar is best for which infection, but I'm certain there is a book on it. many vinegars are delightful tasting and very good for you. Chianti wine is suppose to be served warm with honey but I've heard it is good for skin problems. Explains the taste. Let me know what you find out if you decide to get into it. My arthritis is not responding to anything. Good luck john See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos. Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/
