Steve Conrad - on 6/5/03, Re: May be off topic... - expostulated:
> I agree 100% and would like to add that its attitudes like the one > displayed by the list nanny that will continue to drive people away from > these lists and it will also keep them away until such time as the > offending attitudes change. I don't know where you are going with this Steve. But if that was a complaint, write to me. If it was meant as a joke, it was still off-topic. I don't believe I was rude in reminding list members of the need to stay on-topic, especially since other members had complained. Please do not attempt to tell me my job.(see below*) Further on-list comments will result in a 72- time-out. Policies for Low End Mac Email Lists The goal of each of our mailing lists is to build up helpful communities. The following policies have been established for the family of Low End Mac mailing lists. Definitions * Ban. 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