On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 1:21:11 AM UTC+1, [799] wrote: > Hello, > > -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > An 27. Feb. 2018, 00:59, Yuraeitha schrieb: > > > It is by no means a complete guide as you > > make it sound though, it's relying overly much > > on closed code, and Chromium is no good > > here to look into Google Chrome. I wouldn't > > call it the "go to" guide to get everything > > working. > > Seriously? Do you know how much time it takes to write a how-to? To test all > steps and to use the feedback from other committed users to make it better? > And as mentioned the guide is written for a special use case, playing > multimedia on Qubes as I wanted an OS which I can use for everything I'm > using a laptop for. > > > Also as far as my opinion goes, Google > > Chromes one and only strong point is the > > support of Silverlight content, which is not a > > technical strength, but monopolize of pure > > power on a free market in a democracy. It just > > downright sucks. > > The good thing is that you are totally free to use whatever you want to > choose. > And yes it would be better if all content and app providers are offering > solutions for "the rest of us", but they aren't and the workarround using > chrome is good for everyone who likes to use Netflix & Co. I don't think that > sucks. It's better (for some) to use chrome on qubes instead of Windows to > stream video content. > But yes, if we could use a default Linux installation to do all this task, > this would be great. > > > Firefox will play everything around, as long as > > the content delivery isn't scamming their > > customers by using platform monopolized > > Silverlight. > > Doesn't make sense to me, as you're saying Firefox plays everything, as long > ... > The fact is: currently Firefox is not playing all content. And yes it sucks. > > > Microsoft's hate towards Linux seems as > > strong as ever, despite their so called claims > > for otherwise. > > Any evidence for this strong argument? As far as I know Microsoft is even > using some Linux technologies (Linux on Windows / Linux on Azure / ...) > > > If possible, we really shouldn't support > > scumbag companies doing something as > > manipulative like this, which is on a level only > > a real psychopathic sick person would pull > > off. > > the good thing is ... You don't have to. > > > The fact that Firefox isn't even mentioned in > > that "between the lines self-proclaimed all > > solution page guide", makes me a bit sad and > > disappointed in Qubes. I hope this is a > > mistake. > > Honestly it was me writing this "self-proclaimed all solution page guide" > which took me lots of hours starting from the first version and following the > excellent feedback from other users to improve it. > Maybe you should provide content instead of being sad that others try to > contribute to the Qubes project? > Do you know how motivating it feels if people comment on your work like > you're doing? > The Qubes documentation is done by all of us, if you want to add a section > how you can use Firefox to play content, feel free to do so. > Make a difference! > And if you think Chrome, closed source content providers are the devil, don't > use it, but I think giving users options is always a good thing. > > If my how-to will convince one user to try out Qubes because he can even do > the "evil closed source" stuff, I am happy. > > [799]
Okay I may have come on a bit strong worded, I apologize that I ended up being rude. Nevertheless I'm not reclaiming my criticism before convinced otherwise. I didn't know who wrote that guide, or the name awokd mentioned. I didn't check, and frankly I don't need to know who wrote it to criticize it, it's not that I would have second thoughts about criticizing it if it was someone else who wrote it. If you've read some of my other posts here on Qubes user threads, I naturally criticize without holding back, it's within my personality to oppose institutionalized logic which appear to show flaws, it's not a personal attack. My goal is objective truth, I don't care about reputation or things like that, we can't live in a functional peaceful world if we don't seek out truth. I also expect others to criticism me or my criticism, not only for the sake of objective truth, but also because it's the greatest way to learn, to learn from mistakes. Being able to admit a mistake, will even accelerate learning. btw I know very well how long it takes to write how to's, as I write how to's my self. None of them have been posted to Qubes doc's yet, but I definitely have projects I'm working on, such as QubesTV, QubesNAS, Qubes update script, Qubes screenshot scripts, etc. My beef with this is that Qubes is about being open source, decentralization (Qubes Air which was planned almost a decade ago now), retaining control of ones own system, etc. If there are just as good open source solutions, or even nearly just as good ones, then these should be mentioned and included. While sure Qubes is primarily about security and less focused about privacy, but Qubes is also about open source and retaining control of your system. By just posting a Google Chrome solution, we end up ignoring Open Source alternatives which work, is not good. To put this straight, I don't care if users can just choose to do something else, the fact that it's not following the spirit of what Qubes is all about, is what I care about. I agree very much with you that it's good to have the choice to use Google Chrome, but it should not be listed as the only solution. Also your question. "Any evidence for this strong argument?" in response to my line "Microsoft's hate towards Linux seems as strong as ever, despite their so called claims for otherwise." I'll mention that I never made a claim here, but I used the word "seems". I realize now I unintentionally ended up provoking you and you probably wrote that post in a hurry, and maybe didn't read my post too cleanly (I could have done that too if provoked), but I worded my statement with "seems", I never said it was proven. But even if I did not prove it, I can make a pretty strong case for this if I want to, but like writing "how to guides", it can take a lot of time to pull everything together for such a case. But it's pretty likely if anyone objectively pulls everything together, then it looks pretty bad for Microsoft's reputation, and it can be reproduced scientifically by others. Of course that has to be verified in a scientific study though, and not pulling every piece together at the top of someones head. Please don't take this criticism personal, I know I ended up being provocative, but I never intended for the guides creator to read this criticism, and I could have done a much better job wording my words which came off pretty strong. I apologize if I was insensitive in my criticism, I did not intend to harm anyone. It should also be mentioned, as I multiple of times previously stated, I enjoy good discussions. If you can prove me wrong in arguments, theoretical logic or in proofs, then I will happily back down. But similar I also expect others to also back down, for the sake of objective truth. It's nothing personal, though I also do not want to cause anyone harm either. I apologize for that, I should have worded it more diplomatic. Also I may just as well clarify this, but I dislike extremes, which is very different from the fanatic you seem to picture me as. I don't fight off Google or Microsoft because of emotional belief in them being "evil", although that is a motivator too, but my driving force here is fending off "extremes" through logic, and not emotions. Extremes lead to ruin and destruction, chaos and disorder. Some disorder and extremes can be healthy too though, so too is that a kind of "balance" between order and disorder, but too much extreme is destructive. Be it extreme capitalism or extreme communism, be it extreme ism's or extreme opinions, extremes are always bad. Our world is essentially governed by balances and extremes, and extremes quickly deteriorate any system, human or natural, by injecting a large amount of entropy/disorder into it. Microsoft and Google are such extremes, where balance needs to be restored to undo the harm they're doing to their surroundings. This is not an emotional backlash like some fanatic crazy person, but a response and criticism towards Microsoft/Google based on pure logic with concerns for everyone's well being, and not just some political group. Lets stop the personal bender here, I did not mean to harm you or anyone else. I'm more than happy to continue to discuss though, we don't have to agree, but I also enjoy discussions trying to reach a common shared ground. That's what discussions are all about to begin with after all. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. 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