I have no problems with virtual and real. The guy doesn't know what "virtual" means. He thinks it means false. Real and virtual aren't opposites. As a matter of fact, nobody knows what "real" is, either. That's why there are so many philosophical meanderings about "reality" from the shamans on up. Nor do I have any problems with his term "nonvirtual world," so long as we know his context. Except that life on another planet might be nonvirtual as well. But I assume he's not talking about that, so I happily accept his terminology and his reservations.
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 10:12 PM, Alicia Henn <[email protected]>wrote: > What do you guys think of the following quote from the jmir paper: > > Throughout this paper we will use the term “nonvirtual world” to refer to > our corporeal existence instead of the term “real world.” The term “real > world” connotes that other worlds are not “real.” This creates a > psychological bias minimizing the “realness” of virtual worlds. > > Should I call this laptop a nonvirtual laptop? Does calling it real create > a bias against the realness of virtual laptops? > >> Virtual laptops don't work terribly well. I've bought and rezzed several of them and they only send you email when you are online. Nor do they get the Internet. Pieces of virtual shit. << > > Is this like implying that something is wrong with not being hear if it is > called "deaf" rather than hearing impaired? > >> What was that? A tree fell where? << > If a world is not real, it is lacking something that a corporeal world > has, right? Does it deserve a bias? > >> Elisabeth Bennett never married Mr. Darcy. Here, that is. I hope I haven't treated her world with any bias; for I rather envy her virtual happiness. << Sarah > > Alicia > > On Oct 25, 2010, at 9:04 PM, Sal Armoniac wrote: > > To quote Dr. Gregory House: "everyone lies." ;) > > On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 2:18 PM, David Henn <[email protected]> wrote: > >> This point may have been made already, since I've not read the entire >> thread, so please forgive any redundancy. It may be useful to remember that >> gender/age/identity certainty has been an issue since before remote >> correspondence of any kind was invented, let alone once couriers and mail >> were "invented." There are plenty of RL individuals who cross-dress or >> otherwise disguise their true gender/age/identity with significant success >> in face-to-face interactions. In this respect, nothing new is introduced as >> far as gender/age/identity certainty in e-mail, chat rooms, or virtual >> worlds except for the degree of separation between the physical presences in >> RL and/or the speed of communication, possibly believability in the case of >> someone creating a photorealistic representation of his/her assumed >> identity/av. >> >> That said, I "know" plenty of people who play cross-gender 'toons on WoW >> with varying reasons and degrees of role play from telling you he/she is not >> really that gender the first time you meet them to concealing it until it's >> discovered during a raid when the player comes onto voice chat and the >> player makes no effort to disguise his/her voice. Most of the time, no harm >> done. >> >> Just sayin', >> David >> >> >> On Mon, 2010-10-25 at 13:58 -0400, Sal Armoniac wrote: >> >> If the girl is doing this to damage other girls, perhaps take vengence on >> a friend who likes older men, or if she IMPERSONATES a real 37 year old >> male, then she is acting unethically. Chat rooms, however, are different >> from virtual worlds in subtle ways and VERY different from real worlds. In >> chat rooms you often don't know the gender of your comrades at all unless >> they reveal it to you. This has been true even of email. Gender and age >> matter in relationships in the real world. In the virtual world, it isn't >> an issue unless it's extended beyond the playground. >> >> >> >> Sarah >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "R-SPEC: The Rochester Speculative Literature Association" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]<r-spec%[email protected]> >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/r-spec?hl=en. >> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "R-SPEC: The Rochester Speculative Literature Association" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/r-spec?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "R-SPEC: The Rochester Speculative Literature Association" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<r-spec%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/r-spec?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "R-SPEC: The Rochester Speculative Literature Association" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/r-spec?hl=en.
