The work-state buttons sound like a great idea - should streamline the process (and save screen real-estate).
Having brightness/contrast independent for shadow/highlights is basically a modification of the curve. Perhaps it would be suitable to have those sliders accompanied by the curve on a specific work state, and have the curve updated to show the effect of the sliders - that way, the sliders can be used to approach a desired curve, and then the curve tweaked as needed. Just a thought. Anyway, it seems like the UI will see significant changes before 2.0, and I look forward to them all! Cheers guys Jon On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 7:45 AM, Klaus Post <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Jon! > > > I've begun putting together documentation for the current stable release > - > > I'm probably over half way with that. I think getting that done, then > > discussing it here will provide a good base for working on the > documentation > > for 2.0. I had the same thought about videos, they can be very useful > for > > quickly showing basic functionality, or explaining more complex > > functionality in small sections. > > I complely agree! > > > > In terms of usability, I gave some thoughts in a previous email, such as > > left clicking by default setting the white balance - this is very > > unintuitive - it should certainly drag the image when zoomed, and > probably > > have no effect when viewing the whole image. Couldn't holding W down > while > > clicking set the white balance? > > Our initial idea is to have work-state buttons, that defines the task > you are currently working on. > Click to set WB is of course one of these states, but so are crop, > rotate, pan, etc. A simple button press to change between them and a > nice icon should hopefully make it a bit more intutive. > > (Rather badly titled) > http://bugzilla.rawstudio.org/show_bug.cgi?id=287 > > > > Since then I've built and had a play with the current SVN. I like the > > improved functionality, but what's going on with the super-sensitivity of > > the contrast slider? I know there are bug reports about it, and > suggestions > > of manual text input boxes - whatever the solution, it obviously has to > be > > possible to fine-tune. > > All color-adjustments are "work-in-progress", and are due to be > fine-tuned before 2.0. I completely agree on contrast, and personally > I cannot see a good reason for hue to be more than +-15 degrees. I > would also personally like contrast to be divided into > shadow/highlight contrast, since it allows far more flexibiliy. > > But all this is relying on the biggest missing thing before 2.0, color > management. As you might have noticed, Anders has done a great deal of > work to support DCP-profiles. > > > I'm not a usability expert, so what I've said above isn't gospel, but I > do > > know a certain amount about usability. On the whole, in terms of the > rapid > > and smooth workflow, prioritising images etc, Rawstudio beats most > > commercial software when it comes to sorting a raw shoot for processing - > > but there are these few areas (mentioned above) which let it down. > > I think that will warm the hearts of Anders&Anders. This was what they > set out to do a few years ago, and with color management, I personally > think it is very useful, and as a Windows user I pray for a port every > day. :) > > > > > Clearly there's no point writing the 2.0 documentation until things are > > finalised - which is why I started with the 1.2. I'm busy for the next > > couple of weeks, so probably wont have it finished until after then (as I > > had hoped to). Then we can discuss what I've done and how we can apply > that > > to 2.0. > > > Sounds like a good plan! > > > > > Cheers > > > > Jon > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 5:04 AM, Klaus Post <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Hi! > >> > >> Sounds great! > >> > >> I've been pondering on doing a documentation efford on the > >> sharpening/denoiser part at least, since it is pretty much in the > >> state it should be for the 2.0 release, IMO at least. > >> > >> My own thoughts were along small video tutorials, but it cannot go > >> without written documentation, since it allows far more detail. > >> > >> We have talked about some more generic UI improvements, which I feel > >> should be implemented for 2.0. The main issue is to make the already > >> available features more visible. We are mostly talking about exposing > >> the Rightclick-menu features to buttons, so they are immediately > >> visible and available to the user. > >> This way, hopefully you shouldn't have to use too much space on > >> explaining basic functions. > >> > >> Other than that, there are also a bunch of Lensfun options that has to > >> be displayed, and a camera settings/profile page that has to be built. > >> > >> > >> > >> Regards, Klaus Post > >> > >> http://www.klauspost.com > >> > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Jonathan Musther <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > Hi Martin, > >> > Is the functionality you describe in the current development release, > as > >> > there aren't any RGB sliders in the 1.2 release? > >> > > >> > Hi Michael, > >> > I would be very happy to collaborate on documentation via a wiki (or > >> > some > >> > other means). > >> > There are clearly several different ways to approach this, but I think > >> > perhaps the most important thing is that we begin actually doing it, > >> > rather > >> > than getting too bogged down in the technicalities. A wiki is > perfectly > >> > acceptable, but should be coordinated with whoever is in charge of the > >> > rawstudio website, such that it can be fairly seamless and easily > >> > accessible > >> > for users. > >> > > >> > Cheers > >> > > >> > Jon > >> > > >> > > >> > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Martin Christensen > >> > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >>>>> "Jonathan" == Jonathan Musther <[email protected]> writes: > >> >> > >> >> Jonathan> My name is Jon, and I'm here to volunteer to write some > >> >> Jonathan> documentation. > >> >> > >> >> Wonderful! Rawstudio could use it. > >> >> > >> >> [...] > >> >> Jonathan> - Reduce to B&W > >> >> Jonathan> It would be great to be able to reduce to black and white, > >> >> and > >> >> Jonathan> vary the RGB being used to do so. This would allow > >> >> Jonathan> photographers to, for example, produce a B&W image > dominated > >> >> Jonathan> by the red channel This is the equivalent of using lens > >> >> Jonathan> filters, or DSLR lens filter effects. > >> >> > >> >> This is already an option almost exactly as you describe it. Just set > >> >> the saturation slider to 0 and adjust the RGB sliders to your heart's > >> >> content. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Martin > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Rawstudio-dev mailing list > >> > [email protected] > >> > http://rawstudio.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/rawstudio-dev > >> > > >> > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rawstudio-dev mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://rawstudio.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/rawstudio-dev > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rawstudio-dev mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://rawstudio.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/rawstudio-dev > > > > >
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