> IMO, for a bike that's intended to be a modern club sport mount, DT > shifters would be superfluous.
As my last post on the topic, I will concede the club angle most likely is what I am missing here. Bikes are my primary form of transportation, I ride them to work, around town, for fun and on vacation. I use components that work for me. I imagine clubs with all the group dynamics and peer pressure make d/t a hard sell. Too bad, as d/t shifters are an elegant simple solution. No one could ever figure out how to command the kind of prices for them that Shimano, SRAM, and Campy get for ergos. And that is all she wrote. On Aug 28, 10:01 pm, "Bill M." <bmenn...@comcast.net> wrote: > I think the reason for the lack of DT mounts on both the Roadeo and > most W'fords may be that 'modern' DT's have short butted sections to > save some more weight. That would put the shifter boss on the thinner > belly of the tube, where the heat of brazing could weaken the tube a > bit too much for comfort. IIRC, Grant touted the custom 753 tubes of > the original Road Std. as having a long enough DT butt to make sure > the shifter bosses were on the thick part of the tube. > > IMO, for a bike that's intended to be a modern club sport mount, DT > shifters would be superfluous. It's all about brifters out there, and > bar ends will still work for those who insist on friction > compatibility. But that's just me - I have two bikes with Ergos, > three with bar ends, one with Grip Shifts (recumbent), and none with > DT levers. > > Bill > > On Aug 28, 7:33 pm, JoelMatthews <joelmatth...@mac.com> wrote: > > > > > > It doesn't seem to me that Grant wants this bike to be > > > seen as some retro/throwback rig that folks are gonna want to equip > > > with 40-year-old parts. Rather the goal seems to be: let's show that a > > > modern lugged steel frame can hold its own against the techno-whiz > > > frames. > > > But why not give the 40 year old parts a chance to shine as well? > > > Seriously though, I suspect this (and set up costs) to be the > > culprit. GP's write up said he really had to sweat the weight. D/t > > mounts are surprisingly heavy little buggers. > > > On Aug 28, 9:07 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <thill....@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > I find it hard to believe that not including the dt mounts is a simple > > > cost saving measure, as this isn't intended to be a budget frame. I > > > suspect that the primary reason is the dt bosses add weight, and that > > > there isn't enough demand for dt shifters to justify the extra couple > > > ounces or whatever that would make it harder to acheive the sub-4lb > > > weight target. If this is indeed a "club racer", then most people who > > > get one will probably want to use some type of integrated shifting/ > > > braking levers. It doesn't seem to me that Grant wants this bike to be > > > seen as some retro/throwback rig that folks are gonna want to equip > > > with 40-year-old parts. Rather the goal seems to be: let's show that a > > > modern lugged steel frame can hold its own against the techno-whiz > > > frames. > > > > On Aug 28, 8:42 pm, JoelMatthews <joelmatth...@mac.com> wrote: > > > > > > Waterford makes the Boulder Bicycles frames and the three I've seen > > > > > all had d/t shifter mounts. So they do know how to do it! > > > > > Well, yeah. And their own Hetchins tribute has dt mounts. > > > > > I am guessing no option on the Roadeo and it would appear on > > > > Waterford's own stock models (unless I am missing something on their > > > > web site) has something to do with Steve's point about setting up the > > > > jigs and all. > > > > > Possibly d/t mounts take some additional set up - which means time - > > > > which means money. > > > > > On Aug 28, 5:53 pm, Ryan Watson <rswat...@nyx.net> wrote: > > > > > > Waterford makes the Boulder Bicycles frames and the three I've seen > > > > > all had d/t shifter mounts. So they do know how to do it! > > > > > > Ryan > > > > > > On Aug 28, 2009, at 13:18, JoelMatthews <joelmatth...@mac.com> wrote: > > > > > > >> Perhaps this lack of flexibility is reflective of what > > > > > >> Waterford is willing to accept. > > > > > > > Waterford could be driving this. From their site it appears the > > > > > > only > > > > > > frame offered with DT braze ons is the (actually rather attractive) > > > > > > Hetchins Swallow Tribute touring bike. None of the Waterford road > > > > > > racing bikes have DT braze ons. GP's write up said he put more of > > > > > > the > > > > > > design specs in Waterford's hands because he was trying to meet a > > > > > > specific weight total. Maybe Waterford believes accommodating DT > > > > > > braze ons adds too much weight. > > > > > > >> Finally, having only white available as a standard color (with an > > > > > >> upcharge of $300.00 for another color), strikes me as rather like > > > > > >> Henry Ford's options for the model T (any color available, as long > > > > > >> as > > > > > >> it was black). > > > > > > > This has always been Riv's policy on paint though. In this > > > > > > instance, > > > > > > I do not mind, as the stock Roadeo scheme is close to the Trek 959, > > > > > > the bike I dreamed about owning during my High School days. > > > > > > > On Aug 28, 2:07 pm, Jim Cloud <cloud...@aol.com> wrote: > > > > > >> I'm not in the market for another bike, so any comments are simply > > > > > >> reflective of my own opinion. It seems strange to me that Grant, > > > > > >> who > > > > > >> was always an exponent of not using shifting components that > > > > > >> required > > > > > >> "system compatibility" has agreed to spec the Roadeo so that its > > > > > >> braze- > > > > > >> on's are only really useful with a shift integrated (e.g. Shimano) > > > > > >> system. > > > > > > >> I also find it perplexing that Rivendell, apparently, will not > > > > > >> accommodate a customer request to have downtube shifter bosses on > > > > > >> the > > > > > >> frame. This is not a cheap bicycle, $2,000 is a good chunk of > > > > > >> change. Perhaps this lack of flexibility is reflective of what > > > > > >> Waterford is willing to accept. > > > > > > >> Finally, having only white available as a standard color (with an > > > > > >> upcharge of $300.00 for another color), strikes me as rather like > > > > > >> Henry Ford's options for the model T (any color available, as long > > > > > >> as > > > > > >> it was black). > > > > > > >> Jim > > > > > > >> On Aug 28, 11:06 am, JoelMatthews <joelmatth...@mac.com> wrote: > > > > > > >>>> Aren't band attached down tube mounts available? > > > > > > >>> Indeed there are. > > > > > > >>> However, I have two lovely NOS sets of Simplex braze on dt levers > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> with > > > > > >>> the sunburst (the older, harder to get in good NOS condition > > > > > >>> Simplex > > > > > >>> levers), an NOS Simplex white plastic braze on set and two > > > > > >>> beautiful > > > > > >>> NOS Campy Record braze on lever sets. > > > > > > >>> I readily admit we are going into persnickity parts collector > > > > > >>> territory here, but I really would like to have a bike where I > > > > > >>> could > > > > > >>> rotate use of some of those lovely old parts > > > > > > >>> Maybe if I had some swell clamp on sets I would feel differently. > > > > > >>> Real nice NOS clamp on shifters are far and few between, however. > > > > > >>> I > > > > > >>> have been actively collecting for six years now and can only > > > > > >>> remember > > > > > >>> one or two being offered for sale. > > > > > > >>> Besides, it would look kind of odd to have such a lovely frame > > > > > >>> with > > > > > >>> unused cable routers above a clamp on shifter. > > > > > >>> On Aug 28, 12:33 pm, Bruce <fullylug...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > >>>> Aren't band attached down tube mounts available? IIRC, many > > > > > >>>> early > > > > > >>>> steel frames had cable guides and bottle holders attached by > > > > > >>>> wrap > > > > > >>>> around bands, not braze ons, so this would not be that unusual. > > > > > > >>>>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:48 AM, > > > > > >>>>> JoelMatthews<joelmatth...@mac.com> wrote: > > > > > > >>>>>> Well, it is not exactly like the bikes raced by Jacques > > > > > >>>>>> Anquetil and > > > > > >>>>>> Eddy Merckx as it does not have down tube shifter braze ons.- > > > > > >>>>>> Hide quoted text - > > > > > > >>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > >> - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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