that was so ugly I had to do cervical stretches after just looking at it On Saturday, April 19, 2014 10:23:28 AM UTC-5, grant wrote: > > Not entirely related or unrelated, but just on the topic of RAAM and > reasons to "learn" from it: google "Shermer neck solutions" and then hit > IMAGES. Those will recalibrate anybody's assessment of riding > position...and even riding purpose,and role modelism. Anyway, these images > may be good for a mellow, lighthearted snicker. > > On Friday, April 18, 2014 10:31:22 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote: >> >> >> I'm talking ride quality only, not function. >> Don't blow a gasket until you read this post in full. >> >> Steel, carbon, Alu, Ti, Rando-lite frames, etc. >> >> I just saw a RAAM documentary. Actually I have watched three of them. >> Those guys are mostly carbon, skinny tires, with bars waaay low, yet they >> do hundreds of miles a day, culminating in a 3,000 mile race finish in less >> than 10 days. You gotta be comfy on your bike to a certain degree to >> survive a 3,000 mile ride in 10 days or less. You can't really argue with >> that. Yeah, they are athletes,and suffer, but read on... >> >> I'm starting to think that no frame material is better than another when >> at the higher quality levels and craftsmanship. And I think RAAM blows it >> all outta the water. RAAM has been ridden on just about everything I would >> think. I don't think these people are dummies, and I am sure they have done >> their homework to find what suits their needs. I think it's just preference >> at that point. I don't know that Jure Robic (5-time RAAM winner) would have >> done any better, or felt any better, on a Herse, Scott, Lightspeed, or >> Roadeo. Someone once asked him how his behind felt during RAAM, and he >> stuck his fingers in his mouth imitating a gun. I don't think that would >> have changed no matter what he was riding (and it looked like a studded >> leather saddle in the documentary I saw). >> >> Now function is another thing altogether. You want braze-ons and wide >> tires and clearance, approach a steel frame builder for sure. >> >> I needed to ride through mud and gravel to continue on my way today and I >> was glad I was on my fender-ed Rivbike with 42 mm tires and not on a 25mm >> tire-ed race bike. >> >> I'm not going to touch safety and lifetime issues of materials. The >> battle rages. >> >> Anyway, since I got my head out of carbon, and have been reading a lot >> about steel, I have been wondering. Because everyone seems to love their >> quality bikes, no matter what the material is. >> >>
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