An excellent point. I wouldn't necessarily expect them to have specs for a bike 
they sold 15 years ago, but it is hard to know if you don't ask. 

They are exceptionally friendly folks too. 

Hugh "2000 Heron Road, but wish I had grabbed a Touring too" Flynn

On Apr 25, 2014, at 3:34 PM, Chris Chen wrote:

> I want to repeat something that's kind of bugged me a few times:
> 
> If you want to know about Rivendell Bicycles you can call or email them. They 
> will tell you to the best of their availability. They run a business; it's in 
> their interests to tell you what you want to know. They're not a church; 
> you're not going to the Oracle at Delphi and you don't need to light incense.
> 
> If you don't call, or feel sheepish about asking the Great Riv Gods, and 
> something doesn't work out, don't blame them.
> 
> (This is not directly related to this situation but...)
> 
> We're not digging up dinosaur bones people. This is a going concern.
> 
> cc
> 
> 
> On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 12:31 PM, David Hays <23writ...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Last year I picked up my first Rivendell, a 650B 56 Homer that is listed as 
> accepting tires up to 41mm.
> I had done a lot of research in this group but still felt lucky and relieved 
> when 42mm Hetre's and fenders fit without incident.
> David
> 
> 
> On Apr 25, 2014, at 3:26 PM, Evan Baird <vanster...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Like it was made for em.
>> 
>> On Friday, April 25, 2014 10:53:16 AM UTC-7, Tim Gavin wrote:
>> Jim-
>> 
>> Seems like a small thing to get so offended by.  However, I was in your 
>> shoes when I picked up my '97 Rivendell Road.  Riv Catalog 3 (1997) states 
>> that the Riv Road has clearance for 700x35c tires, but mine barely clears a 
>> 700x28c tire, with about 1 mm to spare under the brake bridge and fork crown.
>> 
>> I was kinda disappointed to miss out on all this "fluffy-yet-fast wide 
>> tires" thing that Riv folks were so excited about.  
>> 
>> But, the intervening years since my Riv's creation have produced some 
>> alternative solutions.  650b wheels, tires, and long-reach sidepulls are now 
>> easily available.  I converted my Riv Road to 650b, and now it fits a 38mm 
>> wide tire and full fenders.  It has a great, comfy ride that feels 
>> wonderful, yet it's not appreciably slower than with larger diameter 700x28c.
>> 
>> I'm not sure if Riv's specifications were slightly optimistic, if it's the 
>> difference in tires since then, or what.  It was frustrating to find out my 
>> Riv is a bit of a "lemon", but it's made some excellent lemonade!
>> 
>> And it's really made me want an Atlantis or Hunq for fat 700c tire touring...
>> 
>> Tim Gavin
>> Cedar Rapids, IA
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Cyclofiend Jim <cyclo...@earthlink.net> 
>> wrote:
>> Jim - 
>> 
>> I have to say that I'm not really following your point. Certainly, it's got 
>> to be frustrating to purchase something that doesn't do what you hoped it 
>> would.  But, I'm not sure how you get from a 15 year old archived web page 
>> to losing trust in Rivendell.  Second to that, tire profiles have changed a 
>> bit in the ensuing time frame.  More round now, more larger sizes now.  And 
>> every rim makes a tire sit a bit differently.  
>> 
>> With a couple of google stabs, I found several ref's to folks selling Heron 
>> roads (not sure on the model years), describing tire clearances that ran 
>> from 28 to 38.  Enough that it would have caused concern enough to confirm 
>> with the seller.
>> 
>> Heron was spun off from Rivendell long ago.  Different models, different 
>> owner, a different company.
>> 
>> Sorry to hear you had a bad outcome, but I don't think it's particularly 
>> appropriate to draw a far-reaching conclusion about trust from those data 
>> points.
>> 
>> - Jim
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