no food can wreak havoc on any person's health.  Only the person can do 
that by the choices they make.  Fad diets count among bad choices - rank 
them up there with Jacqueline Suzanne novels, because that is where they 
belong - they are the fast food of the publishing industry.  

On Friday, November 7, 2014 8:09:30 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> The grain of today is not the grain of Jesus or Joseph. It has been 
> selectively bread to withstand bugs and blights and climates, which means 
> more grows for the same effort, at the price of anti-nutrients that can 
> wreak havoc on health. It is also interesting to note that based on fossil 
> record dental caries came about with the rise of agriculture and did not 
> exist before.
>
> At least for me, grain is a "fall back food" -- if my choice is eat it or 
> starve, grain is indeed the bread of life.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Friday, November 7, 2014 7:01:20 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>> now wait a minute here - grain is not sin - Joseph saved civilization by 
>> tithing the world's grain supply.  Grain is not evil - it is the foundation 
>> of all civilization.  Not picking on Grant here, but at some point it's the 
>> people writing books who are duping the public more than the triglyceride 
>> factories.  I was fat, now I'm not, you should be like me.  No, I'm not 
>> like you, I've always been active and healthy.  My grandfather was a grain 
>> and pig farmer and he lived to 96.  My grandmother made biscuits and 
>> cornbread at every meal (the dogs got the breakfast cornbread, and they 
>> lived healthy lives, too).  
>>
>> On Friday, November 7, 2014 6:40:04 AM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>>
>>>  On 11/06/2014 08:49 PM, justin...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>  
>>> THERE IS ONE GROK. KNEEL BEFORE GROK! 
>>>
>>>  I guess squat before Grok would make more sense.
>>>  
>>>
>>> "Sense" has been conspicuous by its absence around here for a long, long 
>>> time.
>>>
>>> Are you now arguing for paleo monotheism?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>  Anyways.
>>>
>>>  -J
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 6, 2014 2:13:32 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: 
>>>>
>>>>  On 11/06/2014 05:02 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>>  
>>>> There is simply too much we do not know to say the paleo lifespan was 
>>>> (pick your number). 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There never was any such thing as "*the* paleo life" any more than 
>>>> there was a single "paleo" diet.  There were many different paleolithic 
>>>> life styles and many different diets.
>>>>
>>>>    
>>>  

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