I have the standard, not EL version of the RTP's, and I may have had them a
bit higher pressure than what I'll eventually land at. I started with about
50 psi on the rear and 45 on the front. About halfway through my ~8 mile
ride through a mostly urban area, I stopped and let a minimal, unmeasured
amount of air out of each tire.

I think the XOXO is a relatively peppy ride, in my experience. I don't pay
attention to angles, trail and other metrics, I just know when things feel
different and if I like the ride or not. Compared to my Riv bikes, the XOXO
has, had, almost twitchy front-end handling and jumps forward from a
stopped position. I think it's lower trail than my Rivs and has either
shorter chainstays or steeper seat tube or both. I think the introduction
of the RTP's changes the trail (pneumatic trail?), slowing down the
steering response a bit, and in some way, has deadened my acceleration
feeling from a stop. I say carefully there "feeling" as I didn't actually
time anything.

I'll get out for a mixed surface ride tomorrow suburban streets -> urban
streets -> hard-packed/rutted dirt/gravel -> mixed gravel/dirt/sand and
play with the PSI, with a pump with a pressure gauge handy, to see if I can
find nirvana with these tires.

-Jeff
Silver Spring, MD

On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 9:33 PM, mitch <mitch.har...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Friday, September 4, 2015 at 6:30:54 PM UTC-6, Jeff wrote:
>>
>>
>> ...My initial reaction is that I'm a bit underwhelmed with the tires. I
>> ride the 700x38 Barlow Pass on my Sam Hillborne and 650bx42 Babyshoe Pass
>> on my Homer, and they are life-changing tires on those bikes. I didn't have
>> an epiphany while riding the Rat Trap Pass for the first time, but we'll
>> see how they do with a long mixed surface ride this weekend and a week of
>> commuting...
>>
>>
> Remind us what pressure you used for your test ride (and if you're RTPS
> are EL version)?  I wonder if you had them at too high a pressure to feel
> the ride? I doubt it if you're already familiar with the Barlow Pass tires.
> One thing I noticed about the Baby Shoe Pass is how low the pressure could
> go without feeling sluggish. At the point where they are in danger of
> snakebite at every bump and they can't even corner right, they still feel
> fast. Non-supple tires feel deadly sluggish as soon as they're below a
> relatively high pressure. In other words as soon as you have to flex the
> sidewalls noticeably, they complain. I've wondered whether the big RTPs
> would feel too bouncy. I know the BSP ELs felt bouncy at first so I wonder
> what twice the volume will feel like.
>
> --Mitch
>
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