Since they last for >20 years on the roof, I trust they will outlive me on a bike that will spend 99% of it's life indoors. I promise if one of the 8 fails for any reason, I will let the group know. If they failed with anything like the regularity you seem to suspect, I would stop using them. It's 17 months now.
On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 12:16:30 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > Bill, I think the issue is that *because they deteriorate with exposure > to the elements* and *because a failure of a loaded rack or basket could > conceivably land you in deep kimshie,* zip ties which may be *perfectly > satisfactory for a quick temporary expedient solution* may be *an > inappropriate **long-term solution.* That's what I've said and that's > what's quoted down below. Once again, it has nothing to do with whether > zip ties are expensive or not; if they were artisinally curated three bucks > each zip ties then in my opinion for whatever that's worth they would cease > to be a "cheap" hack, but would certainly continue to be a hack. > > On 06/07/2016 03:01 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > masmojo > > I had a feeling you didn't mean it. I think it's great to hand out > approval liberally. It's the disapproval that you should be really careful > with. If you meant it as a joke, I accept that. > > I agree that my Joe Appaloosa was very expensive and 8 zipties are very > inexpensive. I understand the opinion that the cost of 8 zipties is too > low to deserve being places on a Joe Appaloosa. It makes me want to go > into business artisinally curating zipties, and selling them for $3 apiece. > Then it will be sufficiently expensive to deserve placement on a $3000 > bicycle. I understand the opinion that expensive bikes shouldn't have any > inexpensive things on them. I respectfully disagree with that opinion. If > the features are appropriate, the cost is what it is. I'll pay a LOT for > the right features, and I'll pay a little if cheap parts have the right > features. > > Bill > > On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 11:50:55 AM UTC-7, masmojo wrote: >> >> Yeah, people use zip ties for all kinds of things and I continue to >> condone that practice ( oh crap I did it again!). Actually, Bill I used >> that language intentionally, because I thought it humorous. As if my >> condoning anything meant squat to anybody which I am sure it doesn't! My >> sense of humor is rather dry & droll at the same time, sadly. >> Thay said zip ties are a cheap hack, always have been & always will be. >> No harm in that, but I personally feel* thats not acceptable to me as a >> long term solution,* especially in holding on a basket *for numerous >> years. * Now, maybe you are using zip ties as a sort of camouflage!? >> Making the bike look trashy by festooning it with zip ties, pieces of >> twine, a copious number of frame stickers, etc. can be a very effective >> theft deterrent; in which case I applaud the individuals ingenuity! But, at >> the end of the day it seems like antithema or insult to do this to a very >> beautiful & expensive bike. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > <javascript:>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
