Without question, I enthusiastically and emphatically recommend that IF you use zipties to mount your Wald Basket to your solid bicycle rack, that you should use several of them (like 8 or so). If any one of them breaks for any reason whatsoever, please please replace them all. If one failed, it might have failed because the plastic is degraded, and all of them might be on their way to breaking. Zipties are cheap enough that you can afford to be safe. If you are freaked out by this possibility, maybe zipties are not the solution for you.
Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 12:26:57 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > How to choose the right cable tie? > > *UV and weather resistant cable ties* > * All polymers including polyamides (nylons) used for the production of > cable ties are sensitive to UV radiation. The most common additive used for > protecting polyamides from UV radiation is carbon powder commonly known as > “carbon black”. Standard natural coloured cable ties have low resistance to > UV radiation and therefore are not suggested for outdoor applications.* > > *Black cable ties are always manufactured with additional “carbon black”. > As a result, they have improved weather and UV resistance and are better > suited for outdoor applications and are approved against ISO 4892 for 150 > hours (approx. 3 years) of QUV-B radiation exposure.* > > *For long term exposure to extreme weather conditions and UV, weather > resistant cable ties should be used. The weather resistant cable ties are > made with compounds that include special additives to provide extra UV and > weather resistance are approved against ISO 4892 for 600 hours (approx. 10 > years) of QUV-B radiation exposure.* > > > https://www.pmgcompanyonline.com/products/other-products/cable-tie-selection/ > > When it comes to zip ties, YMMV. Choose wisely. > > On 06/07/2016 02:05 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > Masmojo, > > You are entitled to not-use zipties whenever you choose to not-use them. > To paraphrase Yogi Berra: "If people don't want to use zipties, nobody's > going to stop them". Link to original Yogi Berra quote > <http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/y/yogiberra447736.html> > > The place you or Anton lose me is when you tell other people to stop using > something that they like using. Maybe you and Anton just didn't mean what > you said, but when you said "I don't condone it" and Anton said "please > please don't use zipties", that's where I politely and respectfully > recommend that you mind your own business. On these boards, it's perfectly > fine to say that you use something and why you like it. It's perfectly > fine to say why you don't use something. It's fine to say "I don't > recommend using such and such and here's why". It's fine to say "I won't > use that" and not give any reason. But, when you tell people that you > don't condone me using something, or when Anton begs me to stop using > something that I like, I say "stay in your lane". I will use what I like. > If you want to educate me about things that I'm overlooking because you > want me to change my mind about zipties, then by all means go ahead and > educate me. I reject the assertion that zipties are solely intended for > temporary applications. People use zipties for cable management on their > solar panels for 20 years plus. They don't die from UV, they don't fail, > and that's not temporary. If your only reason is you think zipties on a > Rivendell is a lowbrow hack, I already know about that reason. If you want > to recommend another way for me to attach my Wald Basket to my Nitto Rack > that is cheaper, lighter, stronger, easier to install, easier to remove and > similarly recyclable, then by all means, educate me. I'm not receptive to > people telling me to stop using a product with no compelling reason. > > On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 7:16:00 AM UTC-7, masmojo wrote: >> >> Two things >> First zip ties are brilliant & were it a situation of putting the basket >> on for several weeks or months even & taking it off again I would fully >> endorse and condone using them, BUT if it's a basket that'll be on there >> for 5 years! NO! And I don't think there's anything Rivendellish about it. >> Quick easy fixes are intended to be temporary in nature like the Bandaid or >> the rubber band. >> Secondly, I notice that very fine Mercian, lacks braze-ons for routing >> the brake cable!!!! Oh my!!! ;-) but, at least no zip ties! > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > <javascript:>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
