I'm going to say again that your implication that we're some sort of cult afraid to criticize The Master is a bit much. The point I've made several times is that the Clem and Appaloosa frames were specifically designed for the benefits of long stays and low BBs, the latter of which Grant has been pushing since the first Rivendell. If you don't want those frames, buy a different one. Continuing to beat the drum that the main things about these frames that makes them what they are needs "refining"...is kinda ridiculous.
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