You've lost me. What part of recommending to the designer ad nauseam that he lower the bottom bracket drop and shorten the chain stays on a particular model is figurative, not literal? Personal experience is great. You made an interesting point about the relationship between bb height and chain stay length and how it might affect frequency of pedal strike.
RBW Owners Bunch is not exactly a fan club, but it's also not a group redesign project. The reason you think that this sort of feedback is precisely the type of thing you would be looking for if you were building bikes is because, you don't build bikes. If Grant took every opinion or bit of feedback appearing here, and made bicycles based on that, you'd get...a SpeGiarek, complete with disc brakes. Or more likely, nothing. Obviously he works with rider feedback on his bicycles, but everyone with an opinion on the internet? Probably not as much when it comes to technical details like these. Why Richard Sachs builds his road bicycles with the exact same 8cm bb drop as the 700c Clems (but with 25-28mm tires, rather than 50+, which should make up for the longer stays). His explanation also on why he doesn't technically do custom frames: http://www.richardsachs.com/site/2012/01/16/my-last-custom-made-frame/ It's not like Grant hasn't thought of these things. From an online forum deep in the internet undergrowth: *Re: How much is too much bb drop?* > When I was building for Rivendell, Grant wanted to experiment with how low we could go. I built some frames with increasingly lower bb's. Crank length is one consideration but it's less critical than one might think. The bigger consideration is the angle between the seat tube and chain stays. With a laid back seat tube angle like 72 and more than 80mm (say 85+) of bb drop, the front der doesn't work effectively and sometimes the cage hits the chain stays. I like building road bikes around 80mm of bb drop but won't go lower than that. *Curt Goodrich* Okay, that's it from me on the bb and cs of Clems! But a video of a Clem curb hop, coming this way!! On Tuesday, June 28, 2016 at 10:23:31 PM UTC-4, masmojo wrote: > > Of course nothing in bicycles is a totally clean sheet, obviously they've > been making them forever. Much of what I said was figurative, not sure why > everything here is so literal? > Personally, if I was building bikes this sort of feedback is precisely > the type of thing that I would be looking for. A bunch of people sitting > around saying how great everything is seems a bit disingenuous. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
