On Jan 11, 2010, at 3:16 PM, Anthony Castellino wrote:

This is all very good info! Trying to piece it all together...seems best place to start is with the Serial Number...but, where is the Serial Number? I looked under the bottom bracket, all that found is RIVENDELL engraved...

Here is what I know:

1) Seems, so far, the 3 cage bosses are only on Toyo builds (based on this tiny sample, mine should be built at WF as I only have bosses on seat tube and top of down tube)

Not always. My 1996 Waterford-built A/R has three sets of WB bosses, for example. It all depends on what Rivendell spec'd in the frame order.

2) I also see reference to the Toyo Blue (darker) and the WF Blue (lighter)...I certainly have the darker.( Based on this tiny sample, mine should be built by Toyo.)

3) I als read (speculated) that Toyo made all 650 frames and WF made all 700 frames...My frame is a 700cc, 57cm. (based on this tiny sample, mine should be built at WF)

One of Grant's posts indicated that Waterford built frames above a certain size and Toyo built them below a certain size.

I would call Riv, but without a serial number, I may not have too much to go by...

Does it actually matter? Or is this just idle curiosity (which I have plenty of myself, except since both are very fine shops I don't think I'd really care whether it was made in Wisconsin or Japan). If it really does interest you to know, drop John at Riv an e-mail. He can probably tell you off the top of his head, or if not would know who to ask. ;-)
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