In my experience, the fiddly bit of hydraulic brakes is the tubing; 
otherwise they're about as well behaved as a good pair of rim brakes.  And 
you don't pay the Spyre or Hy/rd premium for them (if you care at all about 
how single-piston brakes need to shove the disk into the other caliper.)

(And there ain't anything about a Riv that keeps anyone from brazing disc 
tabs onto it, except the initial frame cost.)

-david parsons



On Friday, June 23, 2017 at 10:57:38 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> This is good to know. If hydraulics are just a fiddly as, or even more 
> fiddly (depending on the make and model) than good mechanical discs, then I 
> have no need for them. I suppose I'd want them for riding really steep 
> technical stuff, but for my sort of riding, any good cable operated brake, 
> disc or rim, is easily adequate.
>
> So, I'll scratch hydraulics. Now, to learn if the 2-sided actuated 
> mechanicals are easier to set up for less rub and more power than single 
> action ones like the BB7. Once again, I am very happy with my BB7s, so 
> seeking out Spyres or whatever they are would be like dropping Julia 
> Roberts to pursue Cindy Crawford (I'm out of date, I know it, but these are 
> the only pretty faces I can think of at the moment). But if Spyres (or 
> whatever) allow bigger pad distances with the same or better power, then 
> they might be worth buying at some point. Me, I haven't found adjustment 
> for pad wear a matter needing attention, with the BB7s I've used.
>
> On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Bill Lindsay <tape...@gmail.com 
> <javascript:>> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Jeremy
>>
>> This is the reason that I suspect the OP Patrick Moore would dislike 
>> hydraulic brakes.  Or, more accurately, why his reaction to hydraulic brake 
>> X would be binary.  Either it will self-adjust to perfect, and he's love 
>> them, or they would self-adjust to imperfect, and he'd hate the inability 
>> to do much about it.  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> On Friday, June 23, 2017 at 8:04:55 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Till wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Bill--no that's right, hydraulic calipers don't really give you any 
>>> adjustment other than alignment.  I was noting that some hydraulics seem to 
>>> run with their pads a bit further from the rotor than others, and that as 
>>> with mechanical rim brakes, this seems to be related to the leverage 
>>> characteristics of the braking system.  
>>>
>>>
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