I find that a butt back position supports more of my torso with the back
muscles and so puts less on my hands. Look at Peter Jon White's article on
fitting: he, too, recommends a butt back position.

FWIW, I have my bars 2" below saddle and I often ride in the hooks, and I
don't wear gloves (except for cold). My hands are fine, except for the pad
or heel of my left which always hurts after a certain time when in any other
position than the hoods ("D" not "K"). But it hurts less in the hooks of low
bars than on other types of bars no matter where they are placed. Gloves
don't help, either. (I'll be 55 in a few weeks, btw.)

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 12:13 AM, Rene Sterental <orthie...@gmail.com>wrote:

> I can't find a position where I will ride with no pain in my hands.
>
> I've removed neck and shoulder pain after switching to Rivendell bikes,
> but I can't get rid of the hand pain. Raising or lowering the bar doesn't
> seem to make a difference. If anything, it seems to me that raising it
> actually makes it worse. On both the AHH with Noodle bars and the Bombadil
> with Moustache bars, shortening the stem has made me feel the "spot"
> overall, as well as lowering the bars some. But the hand pain doesn't go
> away.
>
> Today I raised the M-bar on the Bombadil as far as the brake cables would
> allow (raised it about 1.5 cm higher than I had them) and if anything, it
> seems that the hand pain was worse. Looking at my profile on window
> reflections while riding, it seems to me that I went from a 45-50 degree
> forward lean to a 50-55 degree forward lean when putting my hands on the
> braking position. When my hands are on the edges of the bar where the
> shifters are, I'm more upright but there is still a forward lean. It seems
> to me that as long as I have a forward lean of some sort, there is some
> amount of pressure on my hands and that causes them to hurt.
>
> My explanation for the slightly less hand pain when the bars are a bit
> lower (still higher than the saddle) is that the 45 degree forward lean
> allows me to engage more back muscles as well as use my legs more
> effectively, and that raising the bar reduces the work from my muscles and
> therefore my hands bear more of my weight.
>
> They also seem to hurt less when riding gloveless on the M-bars.
>
> Can anybody offer more insight into what I might try doing to deal with the
> pain in my hands?
>
> Thank you,
>
> René
>
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