> That's generally correct, but i think the people who were using it > first (builders like Matt Chester and Wade at Vulture, among others)
Surprised to read Chester is one of the progenitors. The few things I have read by him come across almost Zen like. Never would have thought he was given to hyperbole. On Apr 12, 6:54 pm, Jeremy Till <jeremy.t...@gmail.com> wrote: > That's generally correct, but i think the people who were using it > first (builders like Matt Chester and Wade at Vulture, among others) > used it to denote a cyclocross bike that had clearance for the early > 29er tires, around 2". So not only 700c and no suspension, but no > suspension correction (i.e. no ability to run a suspension fork), thus > distinguishing it from a rigid 29'er MTB. Of course, it's been > interpreted many different ways, because in the end it's just a bike > that can be ridden on road and off, which isn't really new. Rivendell > is certainly not a stranger to this concept. Sure, you could probably > call the Hunqapillar (or the Bombadil; or the Atlantis; or the All- > Rounder; or the...) a "monster cross" bike, depending on how you built > it up, but I don't think the term is saying anything new. > > On Apr 12, 3:26 pm, William <tapebu...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > As I understand it, a Monstercross is one of many alternative mountain > > bikes. The key defining characteristics of a monstercross appear to > > be: > > > 700C wheels > > No suspension > > Drop or drop inspired handlebars > > > >45c tires > > > Clearly the Hunqapillar could easily have all the above, so I guess it > > could be a monstercross. Put racks and smooth fatties on it, then > > it's your new category, the monster tour. I guess there are Adventure > > Touring and Expedition categories, though. Seth was right, there > > really is nothing new. > > > On Apr 12, 3:15 pm, JoelMatthews <joelmatth...@mac.com> wrote: > > > > Never heard that term before. > > > > Does Monster Cross refer to a cross county race in real rugged > > > conditions? Or does it mean real long self-supported tours? > > > > I see the Hunq as possibly a very good candidate for the latter. I > > > think racers would be concerned about the weight - aren't racers > > > always obsessing about weight - of the Hunq. > > > > As for water bottle placement - the old French diagonal campers found > > > room for multiple bottle cages. Not sure why a Hunq with a diagnoal > > > tube would not. > > > > > Why does everybody try to categorize everything? > > > > I read somewhere (maybe the NYTimes?) that most humans will > > > comfortably follow three sub-plots in a novel or movie. Any more, > > > they lose place and ultimately interest. Probably the need to plug > > > things into pigeon holes helps people keep to three sub-plots in life. > > > > On Apr 12, 4:56 pm, William <tapebu...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > So does the Hunqapillar qualify as a Monstercross bike? I wasn't > > > > familiar with the term until recently. Why does everybody try to > > > > categorize everything? > > > > > On Apr 8, 7:22 am, JoelMatthews <joelmatth...@mac.com> wrote: > > > > > > > I'm wondering out loud ... if extra diagonal type tubed frames were > > > > > > so > > > > > > popular ..... why are they not sold in mass? > > > > > > I see a warmish response here in this forum .... but you know how > > > > > > some > > > > > > things go ..... people say they love the design ..... but when it > > > > > > comes time to actually > > > > > > buy and own one ..... "personal reality" checks in. . . . and they > > > > > > may not want it. It's like seeing a fancy prototype at the bike > > > > > > show .... it looks great .... you drool over it ... > > > > > > but you just don't get one ..... for whatever reason..... usually > > > > > > it's > > > > > > too far "out of the norm". What would so and so think? ... etc. > > > > > > I missed this from Garth earlier. Couldn't one say the same about any > > > > > Riv design, or, for that matter, lugged steel bike? If lugged steel > > > > > bikes are sold in mass, I have yet to see them. > > > > > > Bikes with extra tubes are more expensive to make, and thus buy. They > > > > > are also heavier than most bikes. Many people never ride with loads > > > > > and to places such a bike would be needed. For those few who do, > > > > > having some attractive priced options from Riv make sense. > > > > > > On Apr 7, 6:40 pm, James Dinneen <jfxdinn...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Good point about the water bottles. In particular, a touring bike > > > > > > should have multiple, easily available water bottles. Jim D. > > > > > > Massachusetts > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 4/6/10, Garth <garth...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > From: Garth <garth...@gmail.com> > > > > > > Subject: [RBW] Re: Diagonapillar > > > > > > To: "RBW Owners Bunch" <rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 9:05 AM > > > > > > > If they're going diagonal ..... what do they do about water bottles > > > > > > ? > > > > > > Design is one thing, but what about practicality? > > > > > > > While I agree with GP that triangles look better, and bicycles are > > > > > > all > > > > > > about triangles ...... more of them doesn't necessarily mean better. > > > > > > Double top tubes parallel > > > > > > looks masculine...... works great for carrying and stand > > > > > > mounting....... a diagonal or mixte tube doesn't. > > > > > > > I'm wondering out loud ... if extra diagonal type tubed frames were > > > > > > so > > > > > > popular ..... why are they not sold in mass? > > > > > > I see a warmish response here in this forum .... but you know how > > > > > > some > > > > > > things go ..... people say they love the design ..... but when it > > > > > > comes time to actually > > > > > > buy and own one ..... "personal reality" checks in. . . . and they > > > > > > may not want it. It's like seeing a fancy prototype at the bike > > > > > > show .... it looks great .... you drool over it ... > > > > > > but you just don't get one ..... for whatever reason..... usually > > > > > > it's > > > > > > too far "out of the norm". What would so and so think? ... etc. > > > > > > > The mind is an never ending ride to nowhere. > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > > > > Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > > > > To post to this group, send email to > > > > > > rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > > > > > For more options, visit this group > > > > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.-Hidequotedtext > > > > > > - > > > > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
