I like the way it looks on yours and mine! On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 12:20:56 PM UTC-6 S. Greco wrote:
> [image: IMG_6670.JPG] > > [image: P1000282.JPG][image: IMG_6669.JPG] > > I think this setup always looks a little crazy but definitely works great > when you need to carry lots of things. > > On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 12:11:58 PM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com > wrote: > >> Bill, >> Thanks for the thoughtful and thorough response. >> >> 1. Yes, it's got the metal tab. >> 2. Yes, it does have fenders. I believe the tab on the front of the rack >> would hit the tire in front of the fender, but I'll experiment to be sure. >> 3. No knobs...Shikoros. >> >> I'm pretty happy with the strap positions that I've found, but I'll look >> into attaching the rack to the fender with a long bolt and spacers if I can >> convince myself the tab of the rack will hit the fender in a diving board >> failure. >> >> I really appreciate the ideas, Bill! >> >> >> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 10:19:46 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote: >> >>> Ben is taking on the very worthwhile task of trying to insure he doesn't >>> have a rack failure that causes him to fly over the bars. >>> >>> The cases where this CAN happen is on a rack with three points of >>> attachment. If the crown attachment fails, and the rack pivots around the >>> fork blade attachment points and hits the tire. If the tire is knobby, and >>> "grabs" the rack, pulling it harder down onto the tire, then this locks the >>> front wheel and flips you over the bars. This is what we want to avoid. >>> It has happened a few times and it's really bad for the rider. Here's a >>> questionnaire about the situation: >>> >>> 1. Does your rack have a welded-on metal tab, designed to allow you to >>> attach a headlamp or reflector? If YES, that's worse (more likely to send >>> you over the bars). If NO, that's better (less likely to throw you over >>> the bars) >>> 2. Does your bike have fenders? If YES, that's much better (if the >>> fender makes it impossible for your rack to ever hit the tire, then it >>> can't possibly lock up the front wheel). If NO, that's worse. >>> 3. Do you run knobby tires? If YES, that's worse (knobs can grab the >>> rack and lock up the front wheel). If NO, that's better. >>> >>> What I see on Ben's bike is that if the diving board fails, the rack >>> will pivot forward onto the fender. The fender will rub the tire, make >>> noise, and slow Ben down. I don't think it could possibly lock up the >>> front wheel and throw Ben over the bars. >>> >>> I recommend that Ben unbolt the diving board from the rack and loosen >>> the bolts at the mid-fork braze ons so the rack does pivot downwards. >>> Convince yourself that the rack will land on the fender and the fender will >>> press on the tire. That's a brake, but it's not a self-energizing >>> launcher. >>> >>> If Ben convinces himself that's the worst that could happen, I'd >>> recommend that a failsafe could be to replace one of the two diving board >>> to rack bolts with a very long one, run through a spacer and through the >>> fender itself. Bolt the rack to the fender, and the fender will act as the >>> failsafe for a failed diving board. No strap needed. >>> >>> Bill Lindsay >>> El Cerrito, CA >>> >>> On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 5:47:01 PM UTC-8 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>>> Yeah...for the little I'm carrying in the basket, I'm probably being >>>> overly cautious insisting on trying to find a permanent place for the >>>> strap. >>>> On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 6:38:07 PM UTC-6 spencer robinson wrote: >>>> >>>>> I have a rack, basket and handlebar bag on my Sam. I do not have a >>>>> strap on my basket, I do check all the mounting nuts and bolts when I >>>>> clean >>>>> and lube. I always have an Irish or full spectrum strap in the stuff I >>>>> carry, then if I find a cool thing or 2 at a yard sale or carry home a 12 >>>>> pack, I run the strap over the bag, from the stem, over the bars and to >>>>> the >>>>> front of the rack. Many times the heaviest thing I have in the basket is >>>>> the coffee kit and a sweater. >>>>> >>>>> On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 3:22:24 PM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Actually...even better, you mentioned the attachment doesn't need to >>>>>> do anything until it's needed...would there be any issue using the irish >>>>>> strap to handlebars connection but keeping it loose enough that it just >>>>>> goes behind the bag? That might be my best move. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 2:20:33 PM UTC-6 Ben Mihovk wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Holy smokes I didn't even think about steering! I've just been >>>>>>> tinkering in the basement and haven't hopped on the bike to try any of >>>>>>> these configurations. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So just to be clear, you think if I do something loosely connecting >>>>>>> head tube to tombstone, it'd work okay as a failsafe? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I appreciate it! >>>>>>> Ben >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 1:59:08 PM UTC-6 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn >>>>>>> NY wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No, not ok. that's going to have ill, very ill, or maybe very very >>>>>>>> very ill affects on your steering when it's even remotely snug (it >>>>>>>> could >>>>>>>> tighten up at will). You're looking for a failsafe, not something to >>>>>>>> actually do anything until it's needed. You might try a fairly loose >>>>>>>> loop >>>>>>>> of paracord or heavy shoelace, just long enough to not catch or bind, >>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>> not too long or it'll get into your brakes and wheel. Tying off to the >>>>>>>> handlebar is straightforward because it moves with the rack, headtubes >>>>>>>> don't so keep it loose[ish]. And to keep it up and out of the moving >>>>>>>> bits, >>>>>>>> consider tying off to the horizontal top bar of your basket directly >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> front of the tombstone, that way it won't want to get fussy with your >>>>>>>> headset. >>>>>>>> Have fun! >>>>>>>> -Kai >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 11:54:22 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Here's a photo of what I'm thinking about doing with the strap and >>>>>>>>> head tube... >>>>>>>>> [image: irish.jpg] >>>>>>>>> The strap is looped through each side of the tombstone >>>>>>>>> twice...once through and around the head tube on the opposite side, >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> then once though the inside of the tombstone and back on the same >>>>>>>>> side of >>>>>>>>> the head tube (if that makes sense). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It's snug...but my two concerns are... >>>>>>>>> 1. it won't stop the rack/basket from crashing into the front >>>>>>>>> wheel if the rack fails (I'm not a physics person...but I'm guessing >>>>>>>>> there's more holding power vertically than horizontally) >>>>>>>>> 2. The strap is going to dull up or rub off the paint on the head >>>>>>>>> tube. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> HOWEVER...as I was typing this, I found this... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://13507435628737481763.googlegroups.com/attach/26c66c05ba4e4/IMG_1683.JPG?part=0.2&view=1&vt=ANaJVrEq-9QnruTkMcmxuNN9WRRDupm4Sh5lxv-I6NA_WVq9zMoW7YG8PJm6dkg0zmWGvc0jPMXrF4yVRs-NP2B3aA4xDxxQ3P78klLrAgHSI79Llf-AOr8 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It looks like lashing the tombstone to the head tube has been an >>>>>>>>> option for at least Soma and their "Manny Strap". I'm guessing I'm >>>>>>>>> okay >>>>>>>>> with it the way I have it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Right? >>>>>>>>> On Saturday, November 7, 2020 at 10:19:16 AM UTC-6 Ben Mihovk >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hey all! >>>>>>>>>> I recently set up my Atlantis with a Mark's rack and medium Walk >>>>>>>>>> zip-tied to it. I double strutted the rack and have the Irish strap >>>>>>>>>> connecting the tombstone to the bars (Chocos). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have an x-small saddle sack that I love and was offered a >>>>>>>>>> matching one at a great price. I love the way the x-small sack >>>>>>>>>> looks/fits >>>>>>>>>> on my handlebars, but I'm having some serious issues figuring out >>>>>>>>>> how to >>>>>>>>>> strap the tombstone for support while having a handlebar bag. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> One solution I might have is to strap the tombstone to the >>>>>>>>>> headtube horizontally. I did it a minute ago and looped the Irish >>>>>>>>>> strap a >>>>>>>>>> bunch of times and tightened it up. Is this good enough for >>>>>>>>>> supporting the >>>>>>>>>> rack if the tange fails? Will the strap on the frame rub off the >>>>>>>>>> paint or >>>>>>>>>> top/clear coat? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Any ideas on how to have both a Mark's rack and x-small handlebar >>>>>>>>>> bag are welcome. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> For what it's worth...I don't plan on ever exceeding the 4 pound >>>>>>>>>> recommendation on the rack. I've used it to carry my 3 pound laptop >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> charger (with a Captain Hook), to grab a 3 pound bag of groceries, >>>>>>>>>> etc...I >>>>>>>>>> may push it to a six pack of beer, but I have a rear rack and >>>>>>>>>> panniers if I >>>>>>>>>> need to carry anything heavy. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>>>>>> Ben >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. 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