Kai- A "TIG lug"- cool idea. The poor man's bilaminate frame :)

On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 9:15 AM Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY <
kaiviers...@gmail.com> wrote:

> As your framebuilder said, probably best left alone. But, as an amateur
> brazer, I'd solve the "problem" by cutting the tubes a bit less, leaving
> nubs to use as lugs for a tube with a outside diameter that matches the
> inside diameter of the existing toptube. This wouldn't get you down to 1',
> but it would be relatively easy and avoids welding the headtube with TIG
> level heat, just a little low temp silver filler. I'd love to hear why this
> might be a bad idea from those more knowledgeable.
> -Kai
>
> On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 11:33:29 AM UTC-4 Clark Fitzgerald wrote:
>
>> I asked my local frame builder about this idea, and here's what he had to
>> say:
>>
>> This is not something I would recommend doing.  Since the frame is TIG
>> welded my concern would be the integrity of both the head tube and seat
>> tube after the top tube was removed and the weld remnants filed away.  TIG
>> welding concentrates a lot of heat at the weld area, which can affect the
>> tubes integrity and so putting it through another heat cycle by brzing in
>> another top tube is less than wise.  There are a lot of other options to
>> "liven" up the feeling of a bike.  Wheels and more importantly tires play a
>> huge role.
>>
>> I'm going to take his advice and leave the frame alone.
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 3:02 PM Clark Fitzgerald <clark...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Has anyone ever replaced a top tube on a steel bike to change the ride
>>> characteristics? Can you tell the difference on a bike with a flexible top
>>> tube? Could it make a difference on a bike with 2 inch wide tires?
>>>
>>> I've been reading Jan Heine's book All Road Bike Revolution
>>> <https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/print/books/the-all-road-bike-revolution/>,
>>> and the section on frame stiffness got me thinking about why my commuter
>>> bike, an XL 90's Specialized Hard Rock, feels kind of dead. I measured the
>>> top tube- it's 1.25 inches in diameter, larger than other bikes that I've
>>> had. I recall listening to Tom Ritchey praise flexible top tubes.
>>>
>>> I'm wondering if switching from a 1.25 inch to a 1 inch top tube
>>> <https://www.cycle-frames.com/NOVA-CRMO-25.4-TOP-TUBE-8-5-8-600.html?category_id=1096>
>>> will add some needed frame flex for me. I'm 165 lbs, and 99% of my riding
>>> on this bike is spinning in easy gears. I don't carry a rear load, and I
>>> don't use it for singletrack.
>>>
>>> Could this be a mostly DIY project? I would never consider doing it
>>> myself on a nice bike, but this ain't a nice bike. Cutting out the old
>>> tube, grinding down the old TIG welds, and mitering the new tube all seem
>>> doable, with patience. I would need a skilled welder to do the actual
>>> welding or brazing though. If it works OK I'd get it powder coated.
>>>
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