I think it really all depends on where you like to put your hands. I love the Billie Bars too, because I like to move my hands back and forth. My wife only ever seemed to hold the end of the Boscos on her 52 Clem (10cm stem), so when I put her Platypus together I had two options ready: more Boscos on a 12-13cm Tallux or Albatross on an 85cm fillet brazed flaceplater. In the end I chose the Boscos for aesthetic purposes. No doubt I would have had to max out the stem to make the Billies or Chocos work. Rise was as big a factor as reach for her. You can accomplish the same thing a few different ways. With respect to the hand positions on the Boscos, that forward position seems to work best when the bars are angled down a good bit and/or low enough.
Bones On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 7:22:43 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote: > Leah, I think you absolutely made the right call going with a Billie bar. > That bar has bar-none (heh) the largest range of fore-aft hand positions of > the options I'm familiar with. On the Boscos, while it's common practice > to wrap the bar ahead of the brake lever, I don't see how anyone makes > decent use of this area as a hand position. However, while the Billie > extends back almost as far for cruising along, you can very comfortably and > naturally slide your hands all the way into the front "hooks", which is a > bunch of inches forward. These bars are so long your stem length does > little more than determine where along the bar you put your brake levers - > I suggest positioning them for your most popular hand position; Rivendell > puts them further back on the bar than I would, I like 1.5 grip's worth > about behind the levers, and it's still comfortable to put your hands > forward even if they rest atop the levers partially. > > Tangentially related, a surprise benefit to the Paul levers, beyond their > incredibly smooth operation, is that the clamp is extremely low profile and > therefore comfortable to rest your hands on. > > My attachment is my opinion on the useful grip area of the Bosco (left) > and the Billie (right) > > On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 4:05 PM <lucky...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Where are you located, Doug? I have an Albatross in the garage you could >> try in Sacramento. >> >> On May 17, 2021, at 15:59, Doug Hansford <dhansf...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Leah, >> The Billie Bar is intriguing. I would love to be able to try out some >> bars before committing to one. Feedback always helps though. You’re right >> the top tube is soooo long even on the earlier Clems. I think on the 52 H >> the ETT is about 60 cm. So I will need something swept back for sure. >> Doug >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 17, 2021, at 6:54 PM, Leah Peterson <jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Doug, I have Boscos on my 2019 Clem and it needs them. The expanded geo >> on that 2019 frame made me need an 8 cm stem and Boscos and there’s still a >> reach! I don’t think you’ll have that same issue because you have a grilver >> Clem, and those came out before Rivendell changed the geometry. But I >> wonder if your Clem would like a Billie bar… Wish you lived next door and >> we could try it out! >> >> On May 17, 2021, at 3:51 PM, Doug Hansford <dhansf...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I am most interested in a handlebar discussion. I’ve mostly ridden drops >> on the road and straight bars off-road but am looking for options for my >> Clem build. Albatross seems to be the one I’m leaning toward but am open to >> hear what others think. I had Boscos on my first Clem (didn’t keep it long) >> and agree with you Leah they came back a touch too close to me. >> Doug >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 17, 2021, at 6:45 PM, Leah Peterson <jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Also, here’s an article Will wrote with some hard facts and numbers >> regarding Rivendell’s bar lineup: >> >> https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/176999224484/an-overview-of-our-upright-bars >> >> On May 17, 2021, at 3:37 PM, Leah Peterson <jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Does anyone wanna talk handlebars? I went with my standard Bosco bars, >> but the more miles I ride, the more I’m irritated that the bars feel too >> close to me. I have cramping in my right wrist (not my left, don’t ask why, >> I have no idea and it makes no sense!) when I go really hard and it hurts >> enough that I have actually said “ow!” out loud.I’ve also been known to >> sing and dance on my bike so the locals are used to this behavior by now. >> Anyway, I have a 9 cm Nitto XL stem (it is 280mm vs the 225 mm Tallux) on >> there because the 10 cm wasn’t available. I just ordered a Billie bar, >> which I’m hoping pulls the bars away from me enough, though it’s only about >> 1.5 inches further away from me than my Boscos. >> >> Does anyone have a Billie or an Albatross bar on their Platypus? What are >> your impressions? >> >> Thanks! >> Leah >> >> On May 17, 2021, at 11:08 AM, Philip Barrett <philipr...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> That's interesting, mine is a very tight fit as well, 2 more mm and it >> would not be a fit at all. It's pretty soft aluminum alloy if want to take >> a file or grinder to it though. >> >> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 12:50:07 PM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote: >> >>> That kickstand looks great! Mine is all black and tarnished. Want to >>> hear an odd one? My Pletscher 2-leg kickstand (like Phillip's pictured) >>> wouldn't fit on the mounts on my Platypus. It was too narrow by a couple >>> of mm. So I got a different kickstand. 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