Kate, Albatross--I like this bar a lot and like the look and rise, but the biggest issue is real estate (grips, brakes, shifter, bell and mirror all on bar for me) This bar also has a bit of a rise that I like. On my 54.5 AHH, I have this paired with a 60 stem. I'd do OK with a 70, too. I think I ride a little more upgright than you, but not Mary Poppins. Even with limited RE, it's probably my favorite. The swoops are to me, artistic and mimic the swoop of the rear seat stays (not sure if named that part right).
Choco--I like this bar a lot, but I need more rise that what it gives (none). Mine was the steel Moosey version on my 51 Joe Appalooosa, so the stem was a 12 cm with a rise built in. Because of the lack of rise that I need to not have neck pain when riding, I'm not considering these for my Platy (the non moosey aluminum ones don't have any rise). Loscos--I bought these from fellow lister Joe B (thanks, Joe!) as a possible bar, because it has a similar shape to the Choco and has a little rise. I don't love the look but think it will work well. My biggest concern is these is that it will come back too far, even with a long stem. Billie--after reading the comments about this within the last two days, I decided to try these. It looks nice like the albatross but with more real estate, and it doesn't come back as far as the Loscos. My biggest concern is they are wider than the others, which are already wide enough... (it's so hard to find a perfect partner, whether it be boyfriend or handlebar...) When I pick up my Platy, I expect to also have my AHH with me. We can meet at the park and you can look, test ride and even borrow the two handlebars that I don't put on the bike. Send me a PM if interested. Will, It's interesting that Maia has an 85 stem with the Alba. I need something shorter, but that might be good for Kate. Leah, Here we go again, getting each excited and spending money on fabulous bike stuff. Yes, just change one thing at a time. Most likely, if Analog can get me this bar, they'll start me on a 10cm stem or long. I like a little more "lean." I hope they are not too wide. I'm looking forward to hearing your reaction. Roberta On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 9:19:07 PM UTC-4 upyou...@yahoo.com wrote: > Bones, thank you for the input. > Maybe I go with the Choco and make sure I have a long enough stem so my > reach is familiar to me. A sweet spot in-between upright and bent over. > At some point I will have to go with their expertise and give something a > try.[image: MVI_5447_Moment.jpg] > I sent this photo to Vince so he could see how I've been riding my hybrid > bike. This is why he said Choco. > I'm so happy to have found you all. > I will be sure to post pics of me and my Riv Platy. > I have no idea what I'm in for. It will be wild. > Kate-Trenton, NJ > 50 Mermaid Platy...coming soon > On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 9:06:12 PM UTC-4 Bones wrote: > >> P.S. Kate, I'm with Vince on this one. If you are used to drops the Choco >> does offer better hand positions, especially if you don't need them up >> high. I've used Albatross bars a bunch but I have always come back to the >> Chocos (especially inverted). Every time I ride Albatross bars I end up >> putting my hands all the way forward and they just aren't as comfortable >> there as they are on the Choco. Albatross wins for style, Choco wins for >> function. >> >> Bones >> >> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 9:00:38 PM UTC-4 Bones wrote: >> >>> I think it really all depends on where you like to put your hands. I >>> love the Billie Bars too, because I like to move my hands back and forth. >>> My wife only ever seemed to hold the end of the Boscos on her 52 Clem (10cm >>> stem), so when I put her Platypus together I had two options ready: more >>> Boscos on a 12-13cm Tallux or Albatross on an 85cm fillet brazed >>> flaceplater. In the end I chose the Boscos for aesthetic purposes. No doubt >>> I would have had to max out the stem to make the Billies or Chocos work. >>> Rise was as big a factor as reach for her. You can accomplish the same >>> thing a few different ways. With respect to the hand positions on the >>> Boscos, that forward position seems to work best when the bars are angled >>> down a good bit and/or low enough. >>> >>> Bones >>> >>> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 7:22:43 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote: >>> >>>> Leah, I think you absolutely made the right call going with a Billie >>>> bar. That bar has bar-none (heh) the largest range of fore-aft hand >>>> positions of the options I'm familiar with. On the Boscos, while it's >>>> common practice to wrap the bar ahead of the brake lever, I don't see how >>>> anyone makes decent use of this area as a hand position. However, while >>>> the Billie extends back almost as far for cruising along, you can very >>>> comfortably and naturally slide your hands all the way into the front >>>> "hooks", which is a bunch of inches forward. These bars are so long your >>>> stem length does little more than determine where along the bar you put >>>> your brake levers - I suggest positioning them for your most popular hand >>>> position; Rivendell puts them further back on the bar than I would, I >>>> like >>>> 1.5 grip's worth about behind the levers, and it's still comfortable to >>>> put >>>> your hands forward even if they rest atop the levers partially. >>>> >>>> Tangentially related, a surprise benefit to the Paul levers, beyond >>>> their incredibly smooth operation, is that the clamp is extremely low >>>> profile and therefore comfortable to rest your hands on. >>>> >>>> My attachment is my opinion on the useful grip area of the Bosco (left) >>>> and the Billie (right) >>>> >>>> On Mon, May 17, 2021 at 4:05 PM <lucky...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Where are you located, Doug? I have an Albatross in the garage you >>>>> could try in Sacramento. >>>>> >>>>> On May 17, 2021, at 15:59, Doug Hansford <dhansf...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Leah, >>>>> The Billie Bar is intriguing. I would love to be able to try out some >>>>> bars before committing to one. Feedback always helps though. You’re right >>>>> the top tube is soooo long even on the earlier Clems. I think on the 52 H >>>>> the ETT is about 60 cm. So I will need something swept back for sure. >>>>> Doug >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On May 17, 2021, at 6:54 PM, Leah Peterson <jonasa...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Doug, I have Boscos on my 2019 Clem and it needs them. The expanded >>>>> geo on that 2019 frame made me need an 8 cm stem and Boscos and there’s >>>>> still a reach! I don’t think you’ll have that same issue because you have >>>>> a >>>>> grilver Clem, and those came out before Rivendell changed the geometry. >>>>> But >>>>> I wonder if your Clem would like a Billie bar… Wish you lived next door >>>>> and >>>>> we could try it out! >>>>> >>>>> On May 17, 2021, at 3:51 PM, Doug Hansford <dhansf...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I am most interested in a handlebar discussion. I’ve mostly ridden >>>>> drops on the road and straight bars off-road but am looking for options >>>>> for >>>>> my Clem build. Albatross seems to be the one I’m leaning toward but am >>>>> open >>>>> to hear what others think. I had Boscos on my first Clem (didn’t keep it >>>>> long) and agree with you Leah they came back a touch too close to me. >>>>> Doug >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On May 17, 2021, at 6:45 PM, Leah Peterson <jonasa...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Also, here’s an article Will wrote with some hard facts and numbers >>>>> regarding Rivendell’s bar lineup: >>>>> >>>>> https://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/176999224484/an-overview-of-our-upright-bars >>>>> >>>>> On May 17, 2021, at 3:37 PM, Leah Peterson <jonasa...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone wanna talk handlebars? I went with my standard Bosco bars, >>>>> but the more miles I ride, the more I’m irritated that the bars feel too >>>>> close to me. I have cramping in my right wrist (not my left, don’t ask >>>>> why, >>>>> I have no idea and it makes no sense!) when I go really hard and it hurts >>>>> enough that I have actually said “ow!” out loud.I’ve also been known to >>>>> sing and dance on my bike so the locals are used to this behavior by now. >>>>> Anyway, I have a 9 cm Nitto XL stem (it is 280mm vs the 225 mm Tallux) on >>>>> there because the 10 cm wasn’t available. I just ordered a Billie bar, >>>>> which I’m hoping pulls the bars away from me enough, though it’s only >>>>> about >>>>> 1.5 inches further away from me than my Boscos. >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone have a Billie or an Albatross bar on their Platypus? What >>>>> are your impressions? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks! >>>>> Leah >>>>> >>>>> On May 17, 2021, at 11:08 AM, Philip Barrett <philipr...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> That's interesting, mine is a very tight fit as well, 2 more mm and it >>>>> would not be a fit at all. It's pretty soft aluminum alloy if want to >>>>> take >>>>> a file or grinder to it though. >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 12:50:07 PM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> That kickstand looks great! Mine is all black and tarnished. Want >>>>>> to hear an odd one? My Pletscher 2-leg kickstand (like Phillip's >>>>>> pictured) >>>>>> wouldn't fit on the mounts on my Platypus. It was too narrow by a >>>>>> couple >>>>>> of mm. So I got a different kickstand. 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