Kurt, can you educate me as to the "rifling" in the steerer tube- what is it, and is this characteristic of Columbus tubing? Also, what is "SP"?
On Friday, October 1, 2021 at 10:33:12 PM UTC-4 Kurt Henry wrote: > I'm very late to the game, as I can't seem to reply from my phone in the > current version of google groups. I had to drag out my laptop. > > I've attached a lousy picture of my Bottecchia from shortly before I > finished putting it together. I bought it as a frame and fork from Dale > over on CR. He thought it was a Giro d'Italia or Professional, though > possibly a different year than the catalog. I can feel the rifling in the > steerer so will buy the Columbus tubing. But it's a taller frame (for me) > at 60cm ctt and uses a 27.0 seatpost, so presumably some SP mixed in. It's > a great ride, and an answer to a question I posed to the list a few years > ago about the rarity of Columbus tubed bikes with clearance for sizable > tires plus eyelets for fenders. Yes, they exist! I have Challenge Strada > Biancas (700X30) on it with plenty of room. I don't ride it that much, > though, as it's just a smidge big for me. If someone runs across a way to > shrink frames, please feel free to call me. > > Kurt Henry > Lancaster, PA > > > > On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 1:53:59 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote: > >> Oh! Please post photos of your Bottechia. >> >> On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 11:52 AM Patrick Moore <bert...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Come to think of it, I temporarily resolved the too-small frame with a >>> custom Salsa upjutter quill stem. Wonder where that stem went. >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 11:51 AM Patrick Moore <bert...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> A Bottechia Fellow Traveller! Yes, now that you mention it, my 1966 >>>> felt smooth, and I daresay this was a result of (1) the standard-gauge >>>> tubing, (2) non-excessively-thick tube walls, and (3) the relatively >>>> (relative to post-1980s-crit-geom frames) lax and loose geometry. I road >>>> it, IIRC, with Ritchey 700C X 28 or 30 tires, nothing special, and still, >>>> it felt smooth. >>>> >>>> Model-non-specific Columbus tubing, and I forget what the rear OL was, >>>> but I built mine as a ss fixed, so the OL could have been anything from >>>> 116 >>>> to 120. >>>> >>>> I build mine with the original moustache bar and used it as a beater >>>> commuter, albeit as a very *nice* beater commuter. >>>> >>>> But alas! it was a size or so too small -- 56 c-c st and tt, where I >>>> should have a 60X56 c-c, so I sold it on. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 11:39 AM Benjamin Park <benjami...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I have that same Bottecchia (albeit I think mine is a bit newer, >>>>> probably 1972). I ride it all the time- it makes a great road bike! >>>>> Columbus tubing is so smooth. I put a front rack and it's my little rando >>>>> bike. Actually does ok with the weight of a front bag. I have some RH >>>>> 32s >>>>> on it but agree it could take 35s. 116mm rear spacing is a bummer though! >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 3:08:48 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> If you want road bike fit and handling with big tire clearance, look >>>>>> for some of the old road racing frames from the 1970s and even 1960s, if >>>>>> you can find any. My former 1973 Motobecane Grand Record was very light >>>>>> (much lighter tubing than Rivendells, except perhaps the Roadeo and the >>>>>> Legolas; all 531) yet had clearance for 35s at least without fenders. >>>>>> Ditto >>>>>> for the 1966 Bottechia Campione del Mondo that I owned earlier: easily >>>>>> room >>>>>> for 35s at least and probably 37s. There's one on Ebay now; see attached >>>>>> photo. (300 Euros, but alas in Italy.) >>>>>> >>>>>> The early 1970s Libertas frame that is now hanging on the wall >>>>>> waiting for a build is even lighter and has more clearance; my brother >>>>>> said >>>>>> he got 37s-38s in his; and mine -- 60 X 56 c-c -- weighs**5.9 lb** in >>>>>> this >>>>>> large size; that's frame and fork *and* steel Campy headset. (The >>>>>> Libertas has a reputation for nice handling, too.) My brother (last >>>>>> count >>>>>> 26 bikes -- that he remembers, and this after divesting himself of many >>>>>> others -- has owned many ~50 year old steel road frames that took 35-38 >>>>>> mm >>>>>> tires, >>>>>> >>>>>> My former blue-edition Rambouillet took 32s (about 31 mm actual IIRC) >>>>>> with fenders, and could probably have taken 35s without under normal >>>>>> reach >>>>>> single pivots. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 12:41 PM st nick <trueg...@att.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I recently let a 1986 Schwinn Passage go to a new owner after >>>>>>> enjoying a lot for around 3 years. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The only reason I did sell it was because I bought a Sam Hillbourne >>>>>>> about a year ago and have been riding it more. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think the Columbus Tenax tubing of which the Passage is made is >>>>>>> pretty good stuff. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On my 23" Passage frame I squeezed in 700x40 tires with perhaps 2 mm >>>>>>> clearance on each side in the rear with no problems with true wheels. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The other touring bikes mentioned also might suit your needs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've had a Specialized Expedition, >>>>>>> Miyata 610, Miyata 1000, Nishiki Cresta, Nishiki International, and >>>>>>> a custom touring bike. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't think from my experience the Passage gave up much to them in >>>>>>> riding performance or feel or whatever. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It had fewer braze on bosses than some touring models but rode >>>>>>> terrific. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The cantilever posts are a bit more narrow and would not accept some >>>>>>> cantilever brakes but I just used the Dia Compe original cantilevers >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> higher quality pads and I thought they stopped quite adequately. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Good luck with your search. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The past two weeks I've been tinkering with a 1982, I think, >>>>>>> 24" Puch Austro Daimler Vent Noir Reynolds 531 frame with the smoked >>>>>>> chrome finish. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I can fit Jack Brown 700x 33.3 in the rear no problem. >>>>>>> Non original fork , I don't care for, >>>>>>> however will only take a 32. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm searching for a chrome replacement fork. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Good luck with your search. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Paul in Dallas >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/871769148.1269629.1631817690897%40mail.yahoo.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/871769148.1269629.1631817690897%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> Patrick Moore >>>>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/0eb096a4-0024-496f-bfcb-ae9b31835279n%40googlegroups.com >>>>> >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/0eb096a4-0024-496f-bfcb-ae9b31835279n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> Patrick Moore >>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Patrick Moore >>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum >>> >>> >> >> -- >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Patrick Moore >> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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