Hi Kurt I guess you can shrink the herd by sending me the smidge too large Bottechia.
Mike SLO CA On Monday, October 4, 2021 at 7:30:19 AM UTC-7 Paul Brodek wrote: > "Old is Good" > http://bikeretrogrouch.blogspot.com/2014/01/classic-tubes-columbus.html > > Paul Brodek > Hillsdale, NJ USA > On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 9:52 AM Benjamin Park <benjami...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Kurt, can you educate me as to the "rifling" in the steerer tube- what is >> it, and is this characteristic of Columbus tubing? Also, what is "SP"? >> >> On Friday, October 1, 2021 at 10:33:12 PM UTC-4 Kurt Henry wrote: >> >>> I'm very late to the game, as I can't seem to reply from my phone in the >>> current version of google groups. I had to drag out my laptop. >>> >>> I've attached a lousy picture of my Bottecchia from shortly before I >>> finished putting it together. I bought it as a frame and fork from Dale >>> over on CR. He thought it was a Giro d'Italia or Professional, though >>> possibly a different year than the catalog. I can feel the rifling in the >>> steerer so will buy the Columbus tubing. But it's a taller frame (for me) >>> at 60cm ctt and uses a 27.0 seatpost, so presumably some SP mixed in. It's >>> a great ride, and an answer to a question I posed to the list a few years >>> ago about the rarity of Columbus tubed bikes with clearance for sizable >>> tires plus eyelets for fenders. Yes, they exist! I have Challenge Strada >>> Biancas (700X30) on it with plenty of room. I don't ride it that much, >>> though, as it's just a smidge big for me. If someone runs across a way to >>> shrink frames, please feel free to call me. >>> >>> Kurt Henry >>> Lancaster, PA >>> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 1:53:59 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote: >>> >>>> Oh! Please post photos of your Bottechia. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 11:52 AM Patrick Moore <bert...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Come to think of it, I temporarily resolved the too-small frame with a >>>>> custom Salsa upjutter quill stem. Wonder where that stem went. >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 11:51 AM Patrick Moore <bert...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> A Bottechia Fellow Traveller! Yes, now that you mention it, my 1966 >>>>>> felt smooth, and I daresay this was a result of (1) the standard-gauge >>>>>> tubing, (2) non-excessively-thick tube walls, and (3) the relatively >>>>>> (relative to post-1980s-crit-geom frames) lax and loose geometry. I road >>>>>> it, IIRC, with Ritchey 700C X 28 or 30 tires, nothing special, and >>>>>> still, >>>>>> it felt smooth. >>>>>> >>>>>> Model-non-specific Columbus tubing, and I forget what the rear OL >>>>>> was, but I built mine as a ss fixed, so the OL could have been anything >>>>>> from 116 to 120. >>>>>> >>>>>> I build mine with the original moustache bar and used it as a beater >>>>>> commuter, albeit as a very *nice* beater commuter. >>>>>> >>>>>> But alas! it was a size or so too small -- 56 c-c st and tt, where I >>>>>> should have a 60X56 c-c, so I sold it on. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 11:39 AM Benjamin Park <benjami...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I have that same Bottecchia (albeit I think mine is a bit newer, >>>>>>> probably 1972). I ride it all the time- it makes a great road bike! >>>>>>> Columbus tubing is so smooth. I put a front rack and it's my little >>>>>>> rando >>>>>>> bike. Actually does ok with the weight of a front bag. I have some RH >>>>>>> 32s >>>>>>> on it but agree it could take 35s. 116mm rear spacing is a bummer >>>>>>> though! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 3:08:48 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you want road bike fit and handling with big tire clearance, >>>>>>>> look for some of the old road racing frames from the 1970s and even >>>>>>>> 1960s, >>>>>>>> if you can find any. My former 1973 Motobecane Grand Record was very >>>>>>>> light >>>>>>>> (much lighter tubing than Rivendells, except perhaps the Roadeo and >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> Legolas; all 531) yet had clearance for 35s at least without fenders. >>>>>>>> Ditto >>>>>>>> for the 1966 Bottechia Campione del Mondo that I owned earlier: easily >>>>>>>> room >>>>>>>> for 35s at least and probably 37s. There's one on Ebay now; see >>>>>>>> attached >>>>>>>> photo. (300 Euros, but alas in Italy.) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The early 1970s Libertas frame that is now hanging on the wall >>>>>>>> waiting for a build is even lighter and has more clearance; my brother >>>>>>>> said >>>>>>>> he got 37s-38s in his; and mine -- 60 X 56 c-c -- weighs**5.9 lb** in >>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>> large size; that's frame and fork *and* steel Campy headset. (The >>>>>>>> Libertas has a reputation for nice handling, too.) My brother (last >>>>>>>> count >>>>>>>> 26 bikes -- that he remembers, and this after divesting himself of >>>>>>>> many >>>>>>>> others -- has owned many ~50 year old steel road frames that took >>>>>>>> 35-38 mm >>>>>>>> tires, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My former blue-edition Rambouillet took 32s (about 31 mm actual >>>>>>>> IIRC) with fenders, and could probably have taken 35s without under >>>>>>>> normal >>>>>>>> reach single pivots. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 12:41 PM st nick <trueg...@att.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I recently let a 1986 Schwinn Passage go to a new owner after >>>>>>>>> enjoying a lot for around 3 years. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The only reason I did sell it was because I bought a Sam >>>>>>>>> Hillbourne about a year ago and have been riding it more. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think the Columbus Tenax tubing of which the Passage is made is >>>>>>>>> pretty good stuff. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On my 23" Passage frame I squeezed in 700x40 tires with perhaps 2 >>>>>>>>> mm clearance on each side in the rear with no problems with true >>>>>>>>> wheels. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The other touring bikes mentioned also might suit your needs. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I've had a Specialized Expedition, >>>>>>>>> Miyata 610, Miyata 1000, Nishiki Cresta, Nishiki International, >>>>>>>>> and a custom touring bike. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I don't think from my experience the Passage gave up much to them >>>>>>>>> in riding performance or feel or whatever. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It had fewer braze on bosses than some touring models but rode >>>>>>>>> terrific. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The cantilever posts are a bit more narrow and would not accept >>>>>>>>> some cantilever brakes but I just used the Dia Compe original >>>>>>>>> cantilevers >>>>>>>>> with higher quality pads and I thought they stopped quite adequately. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Good luck with your search. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The past two weeks I've been tinkering with a 1982, I think, >>>>>>>>> 24" Puch Austro Daimler Vent Noir Reynolds 531 frame with the >>>>>>>>> smoked chrome finish. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I can fit Jack Brown 700x 33.3 in the rear no problem. >>>>>>>>> Non original fork , I don't care for, >>>>>>>>> however will only take a 32. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm searching for a chrome replacement fork. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Good luck with your search. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Paul in Dallas >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/871769148.1269629.1631817690897%40mail.yahoo.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 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