Thanks very much, Joe, but after having used very many baskets front and rear, including the folding Walds*, throughout my cycling lifetime, I prefer Tubus or custom racks and a pair of nice panniers (or, for occasional use on bikes with no racks, a selection of saddlebags in different designs and sizes with various saddlebag supports and attachment mechs.
*I first installed these on a 5-speed Raleigh Sprite with North Road bar which I flipped for that cafe racer look (and Alvit rd! -- which shifted fine with the stem shifter) back in 1985 or so, when I lived in WDC. My rack was a Pletscher, which was never, ever known for being rigid. I recall riding the 2 blocks home to my apt just above Georgetown on Wisconsin Ave NW at night with both baskets full -- gal milk, 6 pak beer, 5 lb sug, 2 lb rice, and so on -- and being very, very glad that I could take backstreet residential streets, because the rack/load combo would sway aggressively in time to my pedaling, causing the bike to follow lazy left/right swerves across the entire right of way. The fault was the rack, of course, and I used these baskets several times on other bikes, and on better racks. They're fine. On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 4:20 PM Joe Bernard <joerem...@gmail.com> wrote: > You need folding baskets with Wald bags in them. I still have the bags, > you can have them for shipping, they're perfect for shopping. > > Joe Bernard > > On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 2:23:15 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote: > >> Thanks, Robert. I'd rather not deal with neck cords or zippers. Right now >> the Backrollers work alright, especially since I removed the internal >> pockets that would catch bags and items as I shoved them down, and I will >> investigate the North St. bag. >> >> Funny to admit, but if my criteria were purely practical, I'd go back to >> the very best ever grocery panniers I've ever used, no exception: a pair of >> $4 (on sale) 13 gallon plastic trash cans from Target, strapped using >> dowels for support to the rear rack. huge capacity, no obstruction at all >> for shoving things, bags or otherwise, in, and plenty of room in back for >> reflective stickers. Their fatal downside, I have to admit, was that they >> made me look like a dork. >> >> Even funnier: I recall how, back 10 years ago or so when I was young and >> fit and green -- mid 50s -- I was spinning along on that 1973 Motobecane >> making time in the 67" gear with these trashcans attached, and was >> unintentionally gaining space on a CF lycra clad -- I will use the word >> "roadie" because he got annoyed and sped up to pass me; so the derogation >> is appropriate. He then missed the turn I made, and came back to pass me >> again. It didn't click with me until I got home -- my reaction at the >> moment was, "what's this guy doing here again; didn't I just see him?"; if >> I'd understood, I'd have run him off the road. But I am sure that he got >> upset because what to his provincial eyes looked like a fredly dork on a >> beater bike -- and with a long pony tail, no helmet, and in more or less >> civilian clothes -- was disrespecting him. >> >> Actually sold them with an old beater bike to my NDN who used the setup >> for some years, though for the last 7 or so bike and trashcans have been >> slowly disintegrating in the NM sun. >> >> On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 8:04 PM <rlti...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I used the Arkel grocery pannier quite a bit and I really liked it. It >>> meets most of your criteria but has a zip top and not a buckle top. The new >>> version looks to have a draw cord top which would make sliding a paper bag >>> full of groceries in more difficult maybe? Their hardware is adjustable so >>> it would be simple to position it further back on a rack. >>> >>> https://www.arkel-od.com/shopper-foldable/ >>> >>> Robert Tilley >>> San Diego, CA >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Jan 19, 2022, at 2:57 PM, Patrick Moore <bert...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I'm curious if anyone has suggestions for the following that meet >>> possibly weird and certainly nit-picky criteria. >>> >>> A. This is largely academic since the old Ortlieb Backrollers serve >>> well enough, but I do prefer a flap with Fastek buckle instead of the >>> rollup method of closure. So: What is the best grocery pannier, >>> defining best by my own criteria, in order of importance: >>> 1. Single compartment large enough to swallow a full paper grocery >>> sack, and with no interior pockets or dividers of any sort; >>> 2. Flap with single buckle. >>> 3. As sturdy at least as the Ortliebs, tho' I don't care if it's >>> cotton or nylon canvas or tarp material; and I do not need it to be >>> waterproof, just water resistant (ie, not a sponge). >>> 4. Has attachments with considerable lateral adjustment -- I must >>> offset large panniers to the rear on the bike carrying it -- I prefer >>> the Ortlieb-type of closure but I'm open to other adjustable systems; >>> 5. Comes in red; >>> 6. Has a nice convenient outer pocket big enough for a large bunch o' >>> keys. >>> >>> Criteria 1 thru 4 are required, # 5 is important, # 6 would be nice. >>> >>> B. On rides like this afternoon's, 48-50 F but cloudy (full sun at 5K+ >>> feet is the equivalent of +10*F in air temperature) I like a ls med >>> weight wool jersey + a second ls layer, and I've been using a full-zip >>> wool jersey bought deliberately large. But the fit isn't as good as it >>> might be. So: >>> >>> What is a good LS, full-cut (to fit over a ls wool jersey) medium >>> weight wool (*wool* -- it has to breathe) with either a full zip or at >>> least a long partial zipper (must be easy to get on over ls jersey), >>> rear pockets preferred (I'd happily accept chest pockets, but it must >>> have cycling-compatible -- drop bar cycling -- pockets). 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