For the time period you're discussing I believe the Homer was the 
almost-flat-toptube Waterford model. That's a very nice (and expensive) 
road frame I owned once and deeply regret selling. I can't compare to a Sam 
but I can say if you find a Waterford or Toyo Homer in your size, buy it 
immediately. I hardly ever see them up for sale, the people who have them 
keep them! 

On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 4:48:19 PM UTC-7 Dave C wrote:

> Has anyone has extensive experience riding both models, particularly the 
> ones made in the 2015-2018 time period, and had an opportunity to see how 
> they rode differently and handled different terrain? I am very interested 
> in these models but they have changed in some ways over the years and I am 
> trying to get a sense of what made them different besides just brake style 
> and sometimes wheel size.. I have searched the past threads but there is 
> not much direct comparison/contrast information. Thanks, Dave in Carlsbad

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