What size were each frame? And how much do you weigh, and did you carry a 
lot of gear or minimal gear? Thanks for your input. I have an opportunity 
to buy either one of the exact models you’re discussing, and I’d consider 
the 2018/2019 Hilsen if I thought it was genuinely lighter duty than the 
Sam. 

On Sunday, August 28, 2022 at 7:14:26 PM UTC-7 aeroperf wrote:

> I got a Sam Hillborne in April 2015 (2014 frame, RBW built up and shipped 
> in March 2015). 455mm chainstays.
> I got an A. Homer Hilsen frame in 2019, and built it up myself with Deore 
> 590/591 drive and tektro brakes.  475mm chainstays
>
> I love the Sam.  It is my favorite bike of all time (OF ALL TME!).
> I did not love the Homer.  It just felt “too flexy”.  I purchased it 
> thinking it might be a better “light tourer” than the Sam, but it was too 
> light and too flexible for me.
> Ben used the term “burlier” for the Sam, and I absolutely agree.
>
> They both had almost identical steering sensitivity - not too twitchy and 
> not too stable.  I used 42mm tires for the Sam (700c) and 40mm tires  for 
> the Homer (650b).  At 55 psi I didn’t really feel a noticeable difference 
> due to tires.  Riding was on paved and cinder trails - not fist sized rocks.
>
> But like I say, the Homer just felt too “flexy” for me.  
> The Sam also just seems to me to handle a typical dirt road more 
> comfortably.
>
> BTW - they were set up almost identically.  Same saddle, same Albatross 
> bars… 
>
>
>

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