Thank-you, Jay. Kim Hetzel.
On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 8:56:20 PM UTC-7 Jay Lonner wrote: > Kim, > > I guess I’d put myself in the “once burned, twice shy” camp — I personally > wouldn’t install a kickstand again, unless maybe the mounting plate was > super bomber. That’s something you’ll have to assess for yourself. I keep > meaning to order a Flickstand but haven’t gotten around to it, which goes > to show that in my riding there’s no shortage of things to lean my bike > against. > > Jay Lonner > Bellingham, WA > > Sent from my Atari 400 > > On Nov 5, 2022, at 8:37 PM, Kim Hetzel <krhe...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Hi Jay, > Today, I just installed a double-legged kickstand on my Clem "L". If I do > not carry a heavy loads on the back end of my bike, like you did, I should > be fine ?...regarding possible damage of separating the kickstand frame > plate. > > Thank-you, > Kim Hetzel > Yelm, WA. > > On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 6:39:40 PM UTC-7 Jay Lonner wrote: > >> No damage that I could detect. The kickstand plate isn’t integral to the >> frame, it’s just tacked on with some not-very-strong welds. I’m fairly >> certain it could be removed with only superficial damage to the paint, but >> then I’d have nothing to attach a fender to. >> >> Jay Lonner >> Bellingham, WA >> >> Sent from my Atari 400 >> >> On Nov 5, 2022, at 6:13 PM, Piaw Na <pi...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> No damage to the frame? Or did you have to get it repaired? >> >> On Sat, Nov 5, 2022 at 6:08 PM Jay Lonner <jay.l...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I don’t have a picture, just imagine the weld giving way and the plate >>> separating from the seat stays. I was using a double-legged kickstand at >>> the time and carrying a fair amount of cargo (see attached), and evidently >>> the seesawing action was enough to pry things loose. It bummed me out for >>> maybe half a day, but it’s been fine ever since, now I just use the >>> kickstand plate as a fender attachment point. >>> >>> Jay Lonner >>> Bellingham, WA >>> >>> Sent from my Atari 400 >>> >>> <IMG_0750.jpeg> >>> >> >>> >>> On Nov 5, 2022, at 5:54 PM, Piaw Na <pi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> What does a peeling mounting plate look like? Anyone have pictures? Not >>> that I have kickstands on any of my bikes --- the one on the triplet got >>> taken off ages ago... Just curious. >>> >>> On Sat, Nov 5, 2022 at 5:49 PM Richard Rose <rmro...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> When I was talking to Will about getting a double legged kickstand he >>>> warned me about the “peeling” mounting plate on the Clems. But, he thought >>>> I would be ok they had beefed them up. So far so good. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Nov 5, 2022, at 7:44 PM, Jay Lonner <jay.l...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> My Hunq is a daily driver and has the dings and scratches to show for >>>> it. Probably the worst one is that the kickstand plate is pried partially >>>> loose — no big deal, I just took the kickstand off and used the mounting >>>> hardware to snug things back up. Worst case scenario for me is that >>>> someday >>>> I treat myself to a new paint job and maybe some frame modifications to go >>>> along with it. >>>> >>>> Jay Lonner >>>> Bellingham, WA >>>> >>>> Sent from my Atari 400 >>>> >>>> On Nov 5, 2022, at 4:28 PM, George Schick <bhi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> I haven't read Grant's Blahg on this matter (the ancient OS on my >>>> computer is so out of date that I can't load certain websites), but what >>>> he >>>> has to say does not surprise me. He's always been all about what he calls >>>> "beausage," a term he coined to mean "beauty through usage," or IOW don't >>>> sweat all of the nicks and scratches, "just ride" your bike and be happy. >>>> The good news though is that there is a happy middle ground between the >>>> complete over-the-top utility use of a bike (like Pam's), ignoring any >>>> wear >>>> and tear versus a finicky protectiveness, hovering over the bike at all >>>> times and worrying about theft, damage, etc. And in my way of thinking >>>> that means "just ride" it for all it's worth, but don't just throw it in >>>> the corner until the next ride, but take good care of it. Another way of >>>> saying that might be, "... take good care of it and it will take good care >>>> of you." >>>> This is no different than what one might do having just bought a nice >>>> new automobile and drives it everywhere, but also maintains it, washes and >>>> waxes it regularly, and is careful where they park it. >>>> >>>> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 6:14:45 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote: >>>> >>>>> I love this topic! I had my custom designed to answer the question, >>>>> "What if I had all the qualities I love about Rivendells in a frame made >>>>> exactly for my size, weight and riding preferences?", and at first I was >>>>> super precious about it. Later I realized the whole point was to have a >>>>> perfect bike I could ride every day for everything and that's what I'm >>>>> doing. >>>>> >>>>> Of course I'm still absurdly touchy about scratching all that >>>>> beautiful Joe Bell paint but I don't let it stop me, I lock it up at >>>>> Walmart, I fill the bags with laundry and go to the laundromat. Because I >>>>> want my bike to do all the things bikes do! >>>>> >>>>> Joe Bernard >>>>> >>>>> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 3:15:18 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding >>>>> Ding! wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Did you read Grant’s Blahg? He covers a lot of ground, but most >>>>>> notable to me was the Please Don’t Be Precious About Your Rivendell >>>>>> section. In sum, Grant is saying it saddens him to think of people >>>>>> riding >>>>>> beater bikes instead of their Rivendells to do daily, monotonous tasks - >>>>>> because those tasks make up a lot of real life. If one “saves” their >>>>>> Rivendell, it will not realize its potential, sit mostly unused and then >>>>>> pass to one’s heirs who will sell it in “near mint” condition on EBay, >>>>>> and >>>>>> how sad. What was the bike for? >>>>>> >>>>>> I have found myself both guilty and innocent on the matter. My #1 >>>>>> favorite bike is my raspberry Platypus. I ride it all the time, because >>>>>> I >>>>>> bought it to ride it, but I also dread any harm coming to it, and I do >>>>>> guard it from that. I got a second Platypus that I dedicated to shopping >>>>>> and traveling with and promised not to be precious about it. But now and >>>>>> then I still am tempted to backslide. When traveling to the Philly Bike >>>>>> Expo I dithered about which bike to bring. I didn’t want my raspberry >>>>>> Platy >>>>>> damaged while locked up at racks and I feared it being stolen. Roberta >>>>>> said, “I don’t think you have a choice, Leah. That’s the bike people >>>>>> will >>>>>> expect you to bring.” And she was right, and I did. >>>>>> >>>>>> Then, there is Pam. Pam is at the other far end of the spectrum. Her >>>>>> bike is a model of beausage. Innumerable paint chips and little spots of >>>>>> rust cover her tiny Betty frame. Her Backabike bags are full of holes >>>>>> and >>>>>> the elastic closures are worn out. She locks it up and never worries >>>>>> about >>>>>> it. She did not obsessively stare out the restaurant window to see if it >>>>>> was still locked to the rack while we were at dinner (like yours truly). >>>>>> But she loves her bike, has real affection for it. She looked at me, >>>>>> eyes >>>>>> shining, and said exactly that. Ana, PurpleRiv, is another good example >>>>>> to >>>>>> us. She adores her bike, but has not spared it from hard work. Her bike >>>>>> has >>>>>> hauled obscene loads and taken her everywhere. I remember there was that >>>>>> one fateful camping trip for she 1. Posed it for a photo, only to have >>>>>> it >>>>>> topple and slide down the face of a boulder next to it. I believe she >>>>>> said >>>>>> she sat there and wept for 2 hours over her Joe Bell paint. And who >>>>>> among >>>>>> us would not do the same? 2. Same trip, another photo op, and the bike >>>>>> fell >>>>>> off a cliff. >>>>>> >>>>>> So, who truly loves their Rivendell? The one who lavishes it with >>>>>> care and protection? Or the one who pulls it out of the garage and into >>>>>> all >>>>>> of life - the mundane and the adventurous? >>>>>> >>>>>> On one end of the spectrum we have those who will only take a >>>>>> Rivendell out for special occasions so as not to spoil it, and on the >>>>>> other…well, we have Pam and Ana, who will give it a good thrashing. (Oh, >>>>>> don’t take it personally, friends, I’m being funny about both types of >>>>>> owners.) >>>>>> >>>>>> I find myself wanting to be precious but fighting it and succeeding >>>>>> *most* of the time. I’m lucky that the raspberry paint hides beausage >>>>>> and >>>>>> dirt, so it looks pretty new. But a dent in the top tube or a large chip >>>>>> in >>>>>> the paint would really hurt my feelings. Heaven help me. >>>>>> >>>>>> Where are you on the spectrum? What words of wisdom might you have? >>>>>> What strategies do you employ? Do you want to change? Or are you >>>>>> unapologetically staying put on the matter? 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