I first saw an Atlantis here in San Francisco some 14 years ago shortly after moving here. For one reason or another, I always found something else to spend my money on while admiring Rivendells from afar. Now that I have my Atlantis, I ride only this and use it for mtb trails, park trails, commuting, and road riding (knobbies don’t make the best road tire, but it’s no matter). For me, I get a little thrill each time I get on my Atlantis and remember just how wonderful the ride is and so see no reason to not use it for everything.
On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 9:08:11 PM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com wrote: > Thank-you, Jay. > > Kim Hetzel. > > On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 8:56:20 PM UTC-7 Jay Lonner wrote: > >> Kim, >> >> I guess I’d put myself in the “once burned, twice shy” camp — I >> personally wouldn’t install a kickstand again, unless maybe the mounting >> plate was super bomber. That’s something you’ll have to assess for >> yourself. I keep meaning to order a Flickstand but haven’t gotten around to >> it, which goes to show that in my riding there’s no shortage of things to >> lean my bike against. >> >> Jay Lonner >> Bellingham, WA >> >> Sent from my Atari 400 >> >> On Nov 5, 2022, at 8:37 PM, Kim Hetzel <krhe...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi Jay, >> Today, I just installed a double-legged kickstand on my Clem "L". If I >> do not carry a heavy loads on the back end of my bike, like you did, I >> should be fine ?...regarding possible damage of separating the kickstand >> frame plate. >> >> Thank-you, >> Kim Hetzel >> Yelm, WA. >> >> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 6:39:40 PM UTC-7 Jay Lonner wrote: >> >>> No damage that I could detect. The kickstand plate isn’t integral to the >>> frame, it’s just tacked on with some not-very-strong welds. I’m fairly >>> certain it could be removed with only superficial damage to the paint, but >>> then I’d have nothing to attach a fender to. >>> >>> Jay Lonner >>> Bellingham, WA >>> >>> Sent from my Atari 400 >>> >>> On Nov 5, 2022, at 6:13 PM, Piaw Na <pi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> No damage to the frame? Or did you have to get it repaired? >>> >>> On Sat, Nov 5, 2022 at 6:08 PM Jay Lonner <jay.l...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I don’t have a picture, just imagine the weld giving way and the plate >>>> separating from the seat stays. I was using a double-legged kickstand at >>>> the time and carrying a fair amount of cargo (see attached), and evidently >>>> the seesawing action was enough to pry things loose. It bummed me out for >>>> maybe half a day, but it’s been fine ever since, now I just use the >>>> kickstand plate as a fender attachment point. >>>> >>>> Jay Lonner >>>> Bellingham, WA >>>> >>>> Sent from my Atari 400 >>>> >>>> <IMG_0750.jpeg> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> On Nov 5, 2022, at 5:54 PM, Piaw Na <pi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> What does a peeling mounting plate look like? Anyone have pictures? Not >>>> that I have kickstands on any of my bikes --- the one on the triplet got >>>> taken off ages ago... Just curious. >>>> >>>> On Sat, Nov 5, 2022 at 5:49 PM Richard Rose <rmro...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> When I was talking to Will about getting a double legged kickstand he >>>>> warned me about the “peeling” mounting plate on the Clems. But, he >>>>> thought >>>>> I would be ok they had beefed them up. So far so good. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Nov 5, 2022, at 7:44 PM, Jay Lonner <jay.l...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> My Hunq is a daily driver and has the dings and scratches to show for >>>>> it. Probably the worst one is that the kickstand plate is pried partially >>>>> loose — no big deal, I just took the kickstand off and used the mounting >>>>> hardware to snug things back up. Worst case scenario for me is that >>>>> someday >>>>> I treat myself to a new paint job and maybe some frame modifications to >>>>> go >>>>> along with it. >>>>> >>>>> Jay Lonner >>>>> Bellingham, WA >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my Atari 400 >>>>> >>>>> On Nov 5, 2022, at 4:28 PM, George Schick <bhi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I haven't read Grant's Blahg on this matter (the ancient OS on my >>>>> computer is so out of date that I can't load certain websites), but what >>>>> he >>>>> has to say does not surprise me. He's always been all about what he >>>>> calls >>>>> "beausage," a term he coined to mean "beauty through usage," or IOW don't >>>>> sweat all of the nicks and scratches, "just ride" your bike and be happy. >>>>> >>>>> The good news though is that there is a happy middle ground between the >>>>> complete over-the-top utility use of a bike (like Pam's), ignoring any >>>>> wear >>>>> and tear versus a finicky protectiveness, hovering over the bike at all >>>>> times and worrying about theft, damage, etc. And in my way of thinking >>>>> that means "just ride" it for all it's worth, but don't just throw it in >>>>> the corner until the next ride, but take good care of it. Another way of >>>>> saying that might be, "... take good care of it and it will take good >>>>> care >>>>> of you." >>>>> This is no different than what one might do having just bought a nice >>>>> new automobile and drives it everywhere, but also maintains it, washes >>>>> and >>>>> waxes it regularly, and is careful where they park it. >>>>> >>>>> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 6:14:45 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I love this topic! I had my custom designed to answer the question, >>>>>> "What if I had all the qualities I love about Rivendells in a frame made >>>>>> exactly for my size, weight and riding preferences?", and at first I was >>>>>> super precious about it. Later I realized the whole point was to have a >>>>>> perfect bike I could ride every day for everything and that's what I'm >>>>>> doing. >>>>>> >>>>>> Of course I'm still absurdly touchy about scratching all that >>>>>> beautiful Joe Bell paint but I don't let it stop me, I lock it up at >>>>>> Walmart, I fill the bags with laundry and go to the laundromat. Because >>>>>> I >>>>>> want my bike to do all the things bikes do! >>>>>> >>>>>> Joe Bernard >>>>>> >>>>>> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 3:15:18 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding >>>>>> Ding! wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Did you read Grant’s Blahg? He covers a lot of ground, but most >>>>>>> notable to me was the Please Don’t Be Precious About Your Rivendell >>>>>>> section. In sum, Grant is saying it saddens him to think of people >>>>>>> riding >>>>>>> beater bikes instead of their Rivendells to do daily, monotonous tasks >>>>>>> - >>>>>>> because those tasks make up a lot of real life. If one “saves” their >>>>>>> Rivendell, it will not realize its potential, sit mostly unused and >>>>>>> then >>>>>>> pass to one’s heirs who will sell it in “near mint” condition on EBay, >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> how sad. What was the bike for? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have found myself both guilty and innocent on the matter. My #1 >>>>>>> favorite bike is my raspberry Platypus. I ride it all the time, because >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> bought it to ride it, but I also dread any harm coming to it, and I do >>>>>>> guard it from that. I got a second Platypus that I dedicated to >>>>>>> shopping >>>>>>> and traveling with and promised not to be precious about it. But now >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> then I still am tempted to backslide. When traveling to the Philly Bike >>>>>>> Expo I dithered about which bike to bring. I didn’t want my raspberry >>>>>>> Platy >>>>>>> damaged while locked up at racks and I feared it being stolen. Roberta >>>>>>> said, “I don’t think you have a choice, Leah. That’s the bike people >>>>>>> will >>>>>>> expect you to bring.” And she was right, and I did. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Then, there is Pam. Pam is at the other far end of the spectrum. Her >>>>>>> bike is a model of beausage. Innumerable paint chips and little spots >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> rust cover her tiny Betty frame. Her Backabike bags are full of holes >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> the elastic closures are worn out. She locks it up and never worries >>>>>>> about >>>>>>> it. She did not obsessively stare out the restaurant window to see if >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> was still locked to the rack while we were at dinner (like yours >>>>>>> truly). >>>>>>> But she loves her bike, has real affection for it. She looked at me, >>>>>>> eyes >>>>>>> shining, and said exactly that. Ana, PurpleRiv, is another good example >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> us. She adores her bike, but has not spared it from hard work. Her bike >>>>>>> has >>>>>>> hauled obscene loads and taken her everywhere. I remember there was >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> one fateful camping trip for she 1. Posed it for a photo, only to have >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> topple and slide down the face of a boulder next to it. I believe she >>>>>>> said >>>>>>> she sat there and wept for 2 hours over her Joe Bell paint. And who >>>>>>> among >>>>>>> us would not do the same? 2. Same trip, another photo op, and the bike >>>>>>> fell >>>>>>> off a cliff. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So, who truly loves their Rivendell? The one who lavishes it with >>>>>>> care and protection? Or the one who pulls it out of the garage and into >>>>>>> all >>>>>>> of life - the mundane and the adventurous? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On one end of the spectrum we have those who will only take a >>>>>>> Rivendell out for special occasions so as not to spoil it, and on the >>>>>>> other…well, we have Pam and Ana, who will give it a good thrashing. >>>>>>> (Oh, >>>>>>> don’t take it personally, friends, I’m being funny about both types of >>>>>>> owners.) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I find myself wanting to be precious but fighting it and succeeding >>>>>>> *most* of the time. I’m lucky that the raspberry paint hides beausage >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> dirt, so it looks pretty new. But a dent in the top tube or a large >>>>>>> chip in >>>>>>> the paint would really hurt my feelings. Heaven help me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Where are you on the spectrum? What words of wisdom might you have? >>>>>>> What strategies do you employ? Do you want to change? Or are you >>>>>>> unapologetically staying put on the matter? 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