If your Clem is a newer one it should be fine. Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 5, 2022, at 11:37 PM, Kim Hetzel <krhet...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi Jay, > Today, I just installed a double-legged kickstand on my Clem "L". If I do > not carry a heavy loads on the back end of my bike, like you did, I should be > fine ?...regarding possible damage of separating the kickstand frame plate. > > Thank-you, > Kim Hetzel > Yelm, WA. > >> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 6:39:40 PM UTC-7 Jay Lonner wrote: >> No damage that I could detect. The kickstand plate isn’t integral to the >> frame, it’s just tacked on with some not-very-strong welds. I’m fairly >> certain it could be removed with only superficial damage to the paint, but >> then I’d have nothing to attach a fender to. >> >> Jay Lonner >> Bellingham, WA >> >> Sent from my Atari 400 >> >>>> On Nov 5, 2022, at 6:13 PM, Piaw Na <pi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>> >> >>> No damage to the frame? Or did you have to get it repaired? >>> >> >>> On Sat, Nov 5, 2022 at 6:08 PM Jay Lonner <jay.l...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>> I don’t have a picture, just imagine the weld giving way and the plate >>>> separating from the seat stays. I was using a double-legged kickstand at >>>> the time and carrying a fair amount of cargo (see attached), and evidently >>>> the seesawing action was enough to pry things loose. It bummed me out for >>>> maybe half a day, but it’s been fine ever since, now I just use the >>>> kickstand plate as a fender attachment point. >>>> >>>> Jay Lonner >>>> Bellingham, WA >>>> >>>> Sent from my Atari 400 >>>> >> >>>> <IMG_0750.jpeg> >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On Nov 5, 2022, at 5:54 PM, Piaw Na <pi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> What does a peeling mounting plate look like? Anyone have pictures? Not >>>>> that I have kickstands on any of my bikes --- the one on the triplet got >>>>> taken off ages ago... Just curious. >>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Nov 5, 2022 at 5:49 PM Richard Rose <rmro...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> When I was talking to Will about getting a double legged kickstand he >>>>>> warned me about the “peeling” mounting plate on the Clems. But, he >>>>>> thought I would be ok they had beefed them up. So far so good. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Nov 5, 2022, at 7:44 PM, Jay Lonner <jay.l...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My Hunq is a daily driver and has the dings and scratches to show for >>>>>>> it. Probably the worst one is that the kickstand plate is pried >>>>>>> partially loose — no big deal, I just took the kickstand off and used >>>>>>> the mounting hardware to snug things back up. Worst case scenario for >>>>>>> me is that someday I treat myself to a new paint job and maybe some >>>>>>> frame modifications to go along with it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jay Lonner >>>>>>> Bellingham, WA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my Atari 400 >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Nov 5, 2022, at 4:28 PM, George Schick <bhi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I haven't read Grant's Blahg on this matter (the ancient OS on my >>>>>>>> computer is so out of date that I can't load certain websites), but >>>>>>>> what he has to say does not surprise me. He's always been all about >>>>>>>> what he calls "beausage," a term he coined to mean "beauty through >>>>>>>> usage," or IOW don't sweat all of the nicks and scratches, "just ride" >>>>>>>> your bike and be happy. The good news though is that there is a happy >>>>>>>> middle ground between the complete over-the-top utility use of a bike >>>>>>>> (like Pam's), ignoring any wear and tear versus a finicky >>>>>>>> protectiveness, hovering over the bike at all times and worrying about >>>>>>>> theft, damage, etc. And in my way of thinking that means "just ride" >>>>>>>> it for all it's worth, but don't just throw it in the corner until the >>>>>>>> next ride, but take good care of it. Another way of saying that might >>>>>>>> be, "... take good care of it and it will take good care of you." >>>>>>>> This is no different than what one might do having just bought a nice >>>>>>>> new automobile and drives it everywhere, but also maintains it, washes >>>>>>>> and waxes it regularly, and is careful where they park it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 6:14:45 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote: >>>>>>>>> I love this topic! I had my custom designed to answer the question, >>>>>>>>> "What if I had all the qualities I love about Rivendells in a frame >>>>>>>>> made exactly for my size, weight and riding preferences?", and at >>>>>>>>> first I was super precious about it. Later I realized the whole point >>>>>>>>> was to have a perfect bike I could ride every day for everything and >>>>>>>>> that's what I'm doing. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Of course I'm still absurdly touchy about scratching all that >>>>>>>>> beautiful Joe Bell paint but I don't let it stop me, I lock it up at >>>>>>>>> Walmart, I fill the bags with laundry and go to the laundromat. >>>>>>>>> Because I want my bike to do all the things bikes do! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Joe Bernard >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 3:15:18 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding >>>>>>>>>> Ding! wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Did you read Grant’s Blahg? He covers a lot of ground, but most >>>>>>>>>> notable to me was the Please Don’t Be Precious About Your Rivendell >>>>>>>>>> section. In sum, Grant is saying it saddens him to think of people >>>>>>>>>> riding beater bikes instead of their Rivendells to do daily, >>>>>>>>>> monotonous tasks - because those tasks make up a lot of real life. >>>>>>>>>> If one “saves” their Rivendell, it will not realize its potential, >>>>>>>>>> sit mostly unused and then pass to one’s heirs who will sell it in >>>>>>>>>> “near mint” condition on EBay, and how sad. What was the bike for? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have found myself both guilty and innocent on the matter. My #1 >>>>>>>>>> favorite bike is my raspberry Platypus. I ride it all the time, >>>>>>>>>> because I bought it to ride it, but I also dread any harm coming to >>>>>>>>>> it, and I do guard it from that. I got a second Platypus that I >>>>>>>>>> dedicated to shopping and traveling with and promised not to be >>>>>>>>>> precious about it. But now and then I still am tempted to backslide. >>>>>>>>>> When traveling to the Philly Bike Expo I dithered about which bike >>>>>>>>>> to bring. I didn’t want my raspberry Platy damaged while locked up >>>>>>>>>> at racks and I feared it being stolen. Roberta said, “I don’t think >>>>>>>>>> you have a choice, Leah. That’s the bike people will expect you to >>>>>>>>>> bring.” And she was right, and I did. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Then, there is Pam. Pam is at the other far end of the spectrum. Her >>>>>>>>>> bike is a model of beausage. Innumerable paint chips and little >>>>>>>>>> spots of rust cover her tiny Betty frame. Her Backabike bags are >>>>>>>>>> full of holes and the elastic closures are worn out. She locks it up >>>>>>>>>> and never worries about it. She did not obsessively stare out the >>>>>>>>>> restaurant window to see if it was still locked to the rack while we >>>>>>>>>> were at dinner (like yours truly). But she loves her bike, has real >>>>>>>>>> affection for it. She looked at me, eyes shining, and said exactly >>>>>>>>>> that. Ana, PurpleRiv, is another good example to us. She adores her >>>>>>>>>> bike, but has not spared it from hard work. Her bike has hauled >>>>>>>>>> obscene loads and taken her everywhere. I remember there was that >>>>>>>>>> one fateful camping trip for she 1. Posed it for a photo, only to >>>>>>>>>> have it topple and slide down the face of a boulder next to it. I >>>>>>>>>> believe she said she sat there and wept for 2 hours over her Joe >>>>>>>>>> Bell paint. And who among us would not do the same? 2. Same trip, >>>>>>>>>> another photo op, and the bike fell off a cliff. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So, who truly loves their Rivendell? The one who lavishes it with >>>>>>>>>> care and protection? Or the one who pulls it out of the garage and >>>>>>>>>> into all of life - the mundane and the adventurous? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On one end of the spectrum we have those who will only take a >>>>>>>>>> Rivendell out for special occasions so as not to spoil it, and on >>>>>>>>>> the other…well, we have Pam and Ana, who will give it a good >>>>>>>>>> thrashing. (Oh, don’t take it personally, friends, I’m being funny >>>>>>>>>> about both types of owners.) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I find myself wanting to be precious but fighting it and succeeding >>>>>>>>>> *most* of the time. I’m lucky that the raspberry paint hides >>>>>>>>>> beausage and dirt, so it looks pretty new. But a dent in the top >>>>>>>>>> tube or a large chip in the paint would really hurt my feelings. >>>>>>>>>> Heaven help me. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Where are you on the spectrum? What words of wisdom might you have? >>>>>>>>>> What strategies do you employ? Do you want to change? Or are you >>>>>>>>>> unapologetically staying put on the matter? 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