I once called up Bruce Gordon asking him if he would sell/recommend a child seat for his racks. He gave me a earful! A short summary is that "you wouldn't carry a sack of potatoes that way, so don't carry your kid that way. Get a trailer!"
On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 5:50 PM <amillhe...@gmail.com> wrote: > Good point, Michael! > > My kids ride on the Mac ride up front which helps with that. I insert or > remove them while straddling the top tube. That would be hard to do with a > rear seat. > > Best, > > Aaron in El Paso > > On Nov 7, 2022, at 18:46, Michael Baquerizo <mbaquer...@gmail.com> wrote: > > leaning is all fine and good until you throw a kid on the back of your > bike. my 32 pounder goes on while my pletscher double is out. sam hillborne. > > > > On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 3:49:22 PM UTC-5 J J wrote: > >> Interesting discussions about benefits of and problems with kickstands. >> >> Richard, I'm totally with you about how useful the double is. >> >> For fun I looked back on Riv's website about 10 years ago (specifically >> Oct 2011) to see what they had written about kickstands in general and the >> double Pletschers in particular: >> >> >> *————————————————————————* >> >> *KICKSTANDS* >> >> - Every bike that isn’t strictly a race bike will benefit from a >> kickstand, but kickstands turn off people by the tens of thousands. Why? >> Because of old associations with cheap bikes? That may be it. It must be >> it. But they’re no less functional on an expensive bike, and the expensive >> bike is the one you’d most like to not fall over, isn’t it? The one you’d >> least like to see topple? >> - Clamp on kickstands can smash and wreck thin chainstays…so if you >> have a history of stripping the threads on screws and peanut butter jar >> lids, stay away. Wrap the stays with bar-tape. Clamp securely but not >> oversecurely. Or better yet, get one of the Pletscher clamp-cushions we >> offer. >> - Few expensive bikes have brazed-on kickstand plates, but most of >> ours (not the Roadeo) do. That makes kickstands easy and avoids clamping >> damage. But it is possible to rip the weld apart if you, like, sit on the >> bike and fall over on the kickstand side. It has happened. No need. Be >> careful, and enjoy your kickstand. >> - We sell the Swiss-made Pletscher model, not the almost as good >> Greenfield. The story we heard is that Pletscher developed the inner >> spring >> mechanism, and Greenfield has adopted it (in a business agreement). Either >> way, they’re both good. >> >> *PLETSCHER TWIN-LEGGER* >> >> - Single-leggers are fine & the way to go for daily use. >> - But if the lean angle exceeds such and such and the weight is more >> than so and so, a single-legged kickstand will be overwhelmed. >> - This Pletscher Two-Legger thrives in those conditions. >> - We wouldn't offer it if it weren't spectacular. Here's how it is: >> - -- It works great. >> - -- It's clever. >> - -- It's Swiss. >> - -- It has heritage without being trendy and coveteous. >> - -- It's affordable, although just barely. >> - -- You can't buy it at the Five-and-Dime. >> - It weighs about 1.6 pounds. >> - As is the case with the single-letter kickstand, you have to cut it >> to size. >> - Here's what you do: [....] >> >> >> On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 3:23:35 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote: >> >>> Right on, Richard. >>> >>> Kim Hetzel >>> Yelm, WA. >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 12:20 PM Richard Rose <rmro...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I have felt exactly the same for almost almost 50 years. Touring on my >>>> Clem last July my double kickstand was an absolute joy. While everyone else >>>> was looking around for something to lean on I was chilling. When their >>>> bikes were falling over, mine was solid. Plus, the nature of the Clem L, >>>> with no top tube along with the Bosco bar make unfriendly to the “lean”. >>>> The stand has become a favorite feature of the bike. But I am just an old >>>> slow guy:) >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Nov 7, 2022, at 12:33 PM, Will Boericke <wboe...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> If you can't find something to lean it on, keep riding. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 11:47:34 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm a "leaner" as well. >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 10:47:15 AM UTC-5 amill...@gmail.com >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It’s been my consistent observation and experience that kickstands >>>>>> cause more damage than they offer any “solution.” >>>>>> >>>>>> It’s always been easy to lean my bike against something. Sometimes I >>>>>> even lean it on the ground. It’s never fallen off the ground. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> >>>>>> Aaron in El Paso >>>>>> >>>>>> On Nov 7, 2022, at 08:41, Mark C <wvfi...@comcast.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't think the single kickstands put all that much stress on the >>>>>> plate. The double stands are a whole nother thing. I have no idea how >>>>>> people use theirs, but there is a temptation to push the bike off of the >>>>>> stand (like on a motorcycle) rather than pick the rear of the bike up and >>>>>> close the stand. That puts a lot of stress on the front of the plate that >>>>>> could easily lead to the kind of damage shown here. These stands are >>>>>> handy >>>>>> for keeping the bike upright with loads, and there shouldn't be excessive >>>>>> stress in that position. On recumbents, people even try to sit on the >>>>>> bike >>>>>> while on the stand! - not a good idea. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 10:30:20 PM UTC-5 J J wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> So here’s a pic of the plate on an unpainted Glorius, which gives a >>>>>>> pretty good view of the weld to one of the chainstays. (We’ve not >>>>>>> bothered >>>>>>> to put the kickstand mounting hardware on this yet because it’s lightly >>>>>>> ridden and has not carried but the smallest loads.) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I agree that the plates are dainty relative to the sheer burliness >>>>>>> of bikes like the Bombadil and Hunqapillar. I also don’t see any >>>>>>> technical >>>>>>> reason the plates could not be reinforced to withstand the sorts of >>>>>>> loads >>>>>>> these burly bikes are built for. I would be fine with the additional >>>>>>> weight >>>>>>> it would probably take. I love how practical a double kickstand is and >>>>>>> I’m >>>>>>> so used to it that I can’t imagine using a single on my Hunq. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Joe, nothing you wrote was lame… I think I alluded to the phone >>>>>>> mount being a weak point in Leah’s scenario without naming it >>>>>>> specifically, >>>>>>> and I feel much more secure knowing you agree with my assessment! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [image: Glorius kickstand plate.jpg] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 9:17:46 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Bombadil, despite being such a burly bike itself, has a most >>>>>>>> dainty kickstand plate - so much so that I've removed the kickstand >>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>> that bike just to avoid bending it and potentially damaging the >>>>>>>> chainstays >>>>>>>> in the process. Grant recognized the shortcoming and thickened the >>>>>>>> plate in >>>>>>>> subsequent models but like Joe rightly noted, the double leg >>>>>>>> kickstands are >>>>>>>> dangerous if not careful and this is, to my understanding, why Riv >>>>>>>> stopped >>>>>>>> selling them. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sunday, 6 November 2022 at 17:59:00 UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You're welcome! Although I now realize my follow-up was completely >>>>>>>>> redundant, i didn't notice Jim had mentioned the plastic clamp, too, >>>>>>>>> I just >>>>>>>>> repeated what he said. Lame! 🤪 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 5:39:43 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding >>>>>>>>> Ding! wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Whew, thanks, guys! Super relieved. You have no idea. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Nov 6, 2022, at 2:10 PM, Joe Bernard <joer...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Seconding Jim's thoughts about your phone mount. I see a >>>>>>>>>> turn-by-hand screw and plastic clamp, you'll break the clamp before >>>>>>>>>> crushing the bar if you ever screwed it down that hard. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> A little blue Loctite on the threads of that screw should keep it >>>>>>>>>> tight. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 4:33:20 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle >>>>>>>>>> Ding Ding! wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I read the product description which warns of over tightening >>>>>>>>>>> and ruining the frame. And then I thought of my new phone handlebar >>>>>>>>>>> mount >>>>>>>>>>> that affixes to the bar like a vice and wondered if I’m ruining my >>>>>>>>>>> Billie >>>>>>>>>>> Bars! I find myself having to tighten it a smidge now and then, and >>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>> wonder if it’s because it’s mashing the aluminum Billie Bar. Can >>>>>>>>>>> anyone >>>>>>>>>>> offer an opinion here? (I got a new iPhone and it’s huge and heavy, >>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> what it’s worth.) >>>>>>>>>>> [image: image0.jpeg] >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 6, 2022, at 7:10 AM, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY < >>>>>>>>>>> kaivi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/pletscher-kickstand-hardware?variant=23336090241 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Save the plate! Add some weight! >>>>>>>>>>> -Kai >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 1:12:04 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I thought I'd bring this over here instead of continuing to >>>>>>>>>>>> hammer Leah's 'Using Your Rivendell' thread. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Do we have any reports of plates separating from the stays from >>>>>>>>>>>> a single-leg kickstand, or are they all double-leggers? My >>>>>>>>>>>> experience with >>>>>>>>>>>> both is this: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I used a double-legger on a Clem and could really load that >>>>>>>>>>>> bike up, I'm familiar with that rocking sensation of all the weight >>>>>>>>>>>> torquing on the stand. On my custom I use a single leg (the stock >>>>>>>>>>>> one that >>>>>>>>>>>> came on Clem completes a few years ago) and it's not very strong. >>>>>>>>>>>> It >>>>>>>>>>>> supports the bike fine and I can put a small shopping load in the >>>>>>>>>>>> bags, but >>>>>>>>>>>> as soon as I start to overdo it I can feel the bike getting wobbly >>>>>>>>>>>> like the >>>>>>>>>>>> stand wants to give out on me. My guess in this scenario is the >>>>>>>>>>>> single-legger is warning me before the plate gets too stressed, >>>>>>>>>>>> whilst the >>>>>>>>>>>> double will let you load all day until the plate gives up. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Whaddyathink? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Joe Bernard >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic >>>>>>>>>>> in the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/cCxr_1kwTm0/unsubscribe >>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email >>>>>>>>>>> to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/6c17c3da-8f87-4597-b5a5-8e87f438fcfcn%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>> 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