I have felt exactly the same for almost almost 50 years. Touring on my Clem last July my double kickstand was an absolute joy. While everyone else was looking around for something to lean on I was chilling. When their bikes were falling over, mine was solid. Plus, the nature of the Clem L, with no top tube along with the Bosco bar make unfriendly to the “lean”. The stand has become a favorite feature of the bike. But I am just an old slow guy:)
Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 7, 2022, at 12:33 PM, Will Boericke <wboeri...@gmail.com> wrote: > > If you can't find something to lean it on, keep riding. > > >> On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 11:47:34 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote: >> I'm a "leaner" as well. >> >>> On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 10:47:15 AM UTC-5 amill...@gmail.com wrote: >>> It’s been my consistent observation and experience that kickstands cause >>> more damage than they offer any “solution.” >>> >>> It’s always been easy to lean my bike against something. Sometimes I even >>> lean it on the ground. It’s never fallen off the ground. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Aaron in El Paso >>> >>> On Nov 7, 2022, at 08:41, Mark C <wvfi...@comcast.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>> I don't think the single kickstands put all that much stress on the plate. >>> The double stands are a whole nother thing. I have no idea how people use >>> theirs, but there is a temptation to push the bike off of the stand (like >>> on a motorcycle) rather than pick the rear of the bike up and close the >>> stand. That puts a lot of stress on the front of the plate that could >>> easily lead to the kind of damage shown here. These stands are handy for >>> keeping the bike upright with loads, and there shouldn't be excessive >>> stress in that position. On recumbents, people even try to sit on the bike >>> while on the stand! - not a good idea. >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 10:30:20 PM UTC-5 J J wrote: >>>> So here’s a pic of the plate on an unpainted Glorius, which gives a pretty >>>> good view of the weld to one of the chainstays. (We’ve not bothered to >>>> put the kickstand mounting hardware on this yet because it’s lightly >>>> ridden and has not carried but the smallest loads.) >>>> >>>> I agree that the plates are dainty relative to the sheer burliness of >>>> bikes like the Bombadil and Hunqapillar. I also don’t see any technical >>>> reason the plates could not be reinforced to withstand the sorts of loads >>>> these burly bikes are built for. I would be fine with the additional >>>> weight it would probably take. I love how practical a double kickstand is >>>> and I’m so used to it that I can’t imagine using a single on my Hunq. >>>> >>>> Joe, nothing you wrote was lame… I think I alluded to the phone mount >>>> being a weak point in Leah’s scenario without naming it specifically, and >>>> I feel much more secure knowing you agree with my assessment! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 9:17:46 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote: >>>>> The Bombadil, despite being such a burly bike itself, has a most dainty >>>>> kickstand plate - so much so that I've removed the kickstand from that >>>>> bike just to avoid bending it and potentially damaging the chainstays in >>>>> the process. Grant recognized the shortcoming and thickened the plate in >>>>> subsequent models but like Joe rightly noted, the double leg kickstands >>>>> are dangerous if not careful and this is, to my understanding, why Riv >>>>> stopped selling them. >>>>> >>>>>> On Sunday, 6 November 2022 at 17:59:00 UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote: >>>>>> You're welcome! Although I now realize my follow-up was completely >>>>>> redundant, i didn't notice Jim had mentioned the plastic clamp, too, I >>>>>> just repeated what he said. Lame! 🤪 >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 5:39:43 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding >>>>>>> Ding! wrote: >>>>>>> Whew, thanks, guys! Super relieved. You have no idea. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Nov 6, 2022, at 2:10 PM, Joe Bernard <joer...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Seconding Jim's thoughts about your phone mount. I see a turn-by-hand >>>>>>>> screw and plastic clamp, you'll break the clamp before crushing the >>>>>>>> bar if you ever screwed it down that hard. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A little blue Loctite on the threads of that screw should keep it >>>>>>>> tight. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 4:33:20 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding >>>>>>>>> Ding! wrote: >>>>>>>>> I read the product description which warns of over tightening and >>>>>>>>> ruining the frame. And then I thought of my new phone handlebar mount >>>>>>>>> that affixes to the bar like a vice and wondered if I’m ruining my >>>>>>>>> Billie Bars! I find myself having to tighten it a smidge now and >>>>>>>>> then, and I wonder if it’s because it’s mashing the aluminum Billie >>>>>>>>> Bar. Can anyone offer an opinion here? (I got a new iPhone and it’s >>>>>>>>> huge and heavy, for what it’s worth.) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 6, 2022, at 7:10 AM, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY >>>>>>>>>>> <kaivi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/pletscher-kickstand-hardware?variant=23336090241 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Save the plate! Add some weight! >>>>>>>>>> -Kai >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 1:12:04 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> I thought I'd bring this over here instead of continuing to hammer >>>>>>>>>>>> Leah's 'Using Your Rivendell' thread. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Do we have any reports of plates separating from the stays from a >>>>>>>>>>>> single-leg kickstand, or are they all double-leggers? My >>>>>>>>>>>> experience with both is this: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I used a double-legger on a Clem and could really load that bike >>>>>>>>>>>> up, I'm familiar with that rocking sensation of all the weight >>>>>>>>>>>> torquing on the stand. On my custom I use a single leg (the stock >>>>>>>>>>>> one that came on Clem completes a few years ago) and it's not very >>>>>>>>>>>> strong. It supports the bike fine and I can put a small shopping >>>>>>>>>>>> load in the bags, but as soon as I start to overdo it I can feel >>>>>>>>>>>> the bike getting wobbly like the stand wants to give out on me. My >>>>>>>>>>>> guess in this scenario is the single-legger is warning me before >>>>>>>>>>>> the plate gets too stressed, whilst the double will let you load >>>>>>>>>>>> all day until the plate gives up. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Whaddyathink? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Joe Bernard >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in >>>>>>>>>> the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/cCxr_1kwTm0/unsubscribe. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>>>>>>>>> rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/6c17c3da-8f87-4597-b5a5-8e87f438fcfcn%40googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >>>>>>>> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/cCxr_1kwTm0/unsubscribe. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>>>>>>> rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/1cd704dc-ba83-46a6-8c12-c9562fedaf83n%40googlegroups.com. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/d0afbd83-fc8d-4918-84fa-c0addf040e3dn%40googlegroups.com. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/c57c50e1-0ad2-45e7-aa9d-3a8d79855bb8n%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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