If you can't find something to lean it on, keep riding.

On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 11:47:34 AM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I'm a "leaner" as well.
>
> On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 10:47:15 AM UTC-5 amill...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> It’s been my consistent observation and experience that kickstands cause 
>> more damage than they offer any “solution.”
>>
>> It’s always been easy to lean my bike against something. Sometimes I even 
>> lean it on the ground. It’s never fallen off the ground. 
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Aaron in El Paso 
>>
>> On Nov 7, 2022, at 08:41, Mark C <wvfi...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> I don't think the single kickstands put all that much stress on the 
>> plate. The double stands are a whole nother thing. I have no idea how 
>> people use theirs, but there is a temptation to push the bike off of the 
>> stand (like on a motorcycle) rather than pick the rear of the bike up and 
>> close the stand. That puts a lot of stress on the front of the plate that 
>> could easily lead to the kind of damage shown here. These stands are handy 
>> for keeping the bike upright with loads, and there shouldn't be excessive 
>> stress in that position. On recumbents, people even try to sit on the bike 
>> while on the stand! - not a good idea.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 10:30:20 PM UTC-5 J J wrote:
>>
>>> So here’s a pic of the plate on an unpainted Glorius, which gives a 
>>> pretty good  view of the weld to one of the chainstays. (We’ve not bothered 
>>> to put the kickstand mounting hardware on this yet because it’s lightly 
>>> ridden and has not carried but the smallest loads.) 
>>>
>>> I agree that the plates are dainty relative to the sheer burliness of 
>>> bikes like the Bombadil and Hunqapillar. I also don’t see any technical 
>>> reason the plates could not be reinforced to withstand the sorts of loads 
>>> these burly bikes are built for. I would be fine with the additional weight 
>>> it would probably take.  I love how practical a double kickstand is and I’m 
>>> so used to it that I can’t imagine using a single on my Hunq.
>>>
>>> Joe, nothing you wrote was lame…  I think I alluded to the phone mount 
>>> being a weak point in Leah’s scenario without naming it specifically, and I 
>>> feel much more secure knowing you agree with my assessment!  
>>>
>>> [image: Glorius kickstand plate.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 9:17:46 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Bombadil, despite being such a burly bike itself, has a most dainty 
>>>> kickstand plate - so much so that I've removed the kickstand from that 
>>>> bike 
>>>> just to avoid bending it and potentially damaging the chainstays in the 
>>>> process. Grant recognized the shortcoming and thickened the plate in 
>>>> subsequent models but like Joe rightly noted, the double leg kickstands 
>>>> are 
>>>> dangerous if not careful and this is, to my understanding, why Riv stopped 
>>>> selling them. 
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, 6 November 2022 at 17:59:00 UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You're welcome! Although I now realize my follow-up was completely 
>>>>> redundant, i didn't notice Jim had mentioned the plastic clamp, too, I 
>>>>> just 
>>>>> repeated what he said. Lame! 🤪
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 5:39:43 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Whew, thanks, guys! Super relieved. You have no idea. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 6, 2022, at 2:10 PM, Joe Bernard <joer...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Seconding Jim's thoughts about your phone mount. I see a 
>>>>>> turn-by-hand screw and plastic clamp, you'll break the clamp before 
>>>>>> crushing the bar if you ever screwed it down that hard. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A little blue Loctite on the threads of that screw should keep it 
>>>>>> tight. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 4:33:20 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I read the product description which warns of over tightening and 
>>>>>>> ruining the frame. And then I thought of my new phone handlebar mount 
>>>>>>> that 
>>>>>>> affixes to the bar like a vice and wondered if I’m ruining my Billie 
>>>>>>> Bars! 
>>>>>>> I find myself having to tighten it a smidge now and then, and I wonder 
>>>>>>> if 
>>>>>>> it’s because it’s mashing the aluminum Billie Bar. Can anyone offer an 
>>>>>>> opinion here? (I got a new iPhone and it’s huge and heavy, for what 
>>>>>>> it’s 
>>>>>>> worth.)
>>>>>>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Nov 6, 2022, at 7:10 AM, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY <
>>>>>>> kaivi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/pletscher-kickstand-hardware?variant=23336090241
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Save the plate! Add some weight!
>>>>>>> -Kai
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 1:12:04 AM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I thought I'd bring this over here instead of continuing to hammer 
>>>>>>>> Leah's 'Using Your Rivendell' thread. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do we have any reports of plates separating from the stays from a 
>>>>>>>> single-leg kickstand, or are they all double-leggers? My experience 
>>>>>>>> with 
>>>>>>>> both is this: 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I used a double-legger on a Clem and could really load that bike 
>>>>>>>> up, I'm familiar with that rocking sensation of all the weight 
>>>>>>>> torquing on 
>>>>>>>> the stand. On my custom I use a single leg (the stock one that came on 
>>>>>>>> Clem 
>>>>>>>> completes a few years ago) and it's not very strong. It supports the 
>>>>>>>> bike 
>>>>>>>> fine and I can put a small shopping load in the bags, but as soon as I 
>>>>>>>> start to overdo it I can feel the bike getting wobbly like the stand 
>>>>>>>> wants 
>>>>>>>> to give out on me. My guess in this scenario is the single-legger is 
>>>>>>>> warning me before the plate gets too stressed, whilst the double will 
>>>>>>>> let 
>>>>>>>> you load all day until the plate gives up. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Whaddyathink? 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Joe Bernard 
>>>>>>>>
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