John- thanks for that GaiaGPS link. It's the first time I've seen it after hearing about it for years, it's a really nice set up. I really like how if you are just scrolling though photos it is simultaneously moving your point on the route as well in the background. Looks like a lovely ride.
On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 12:00:39 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote: > Hey Masa-san, > > You are lucky, indeed! Blue Lug is such a great shop; there are so many > beautiful bikes and fine parts to enjoy. > > I rode to Shikoku on the Shimanami-kaido from Onomichi. This is a > spectacular way to go there. You must try it sometime. Here are GaiaGPS > tracks and photos > <https://www.gaiagps.com/public/7xV9qd5vGXF0ueueJufXO3f9> if you are > interested. > > Cheers, John > > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 5:18:42 AM UTC-8 Masa wrote: > >> John, it was actually you and your Hunq on the blog post! I have been to >> Shikoku for a holiday by the public transportations but it must be amazing >> to ride there. I'm glad that you could see many beautiful places here in >> Japan. >> >> Luckily Blue Lug is my local bike shop so it didn't take long for me to >> be a Riv fan! >> >> Masa >> >> 2022年12月8日木曜日 3:28:02 UTC+9 John Rinker: >> >>> Yes, Masa, I lived in Yokohama for a couple of years and had the very >>> good fortune to ride in many beautiful places in Japan. Yakushima and >>> Shikoku were my favorites! And, you are not mistaken, Chuyan at Blue Lug >>> Hatagaya took some photos of my bike one day, so he must have posted them >>> on the blog. Great bike shop with friendly, helpful staff. Another favorite >>> of mine. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> John >>> >>> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 5:10:29 AM UTC-8 Masa wrote: >>> >>>> It's really interesting to read how people are enjoying/planning to >>>> ride 2 Rivendells! >>>> It seems like most of you have 2 different type Rivs for different >>>> occasions as I was vaguely imaging for my future as well. >>>> >>>> As Keith pointed out the tricky point is that if you get second bike >>>> for a different purpose which you barely have chances to go, you will end >>>> up to ride just one but not both of them. >>>> That made me think that I should get the second Riv if I "need" it >>>> while I got my first one mostly because I did "want" it. >>>> (Well it's really hard to separate these feelings though) >>>> Anyway I am going to ride my Platypus as much as possible for now and >>>> will see if I need another one:) >>>> >>>> Otherwise actually it's a really simple thing. Having 2 bikes you >>>> really love and "ride all the time and alternate daily" as John said. >>>> John, if I'm not mistaken I have seen your Hunq on Blue Lug's blog >>>> before. You have lived in Japan? The Hunq and the Atlantis are both so >>>> beautiful! >>>> >>>> Masa >>>> 2022年12月7日水曜日 17:55:05 UTC+9 Luke Hendrickson: >>>> >>>>> John, >>>>> >>>>> What a two bike collection you have! Since I have the Riv I’ve always >>>>> wanted (Atlantis), now I’m yearning for a Hunq. Such a lovely, lugged >>>>> beaut. >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 11:34:11 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hey Masa, >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm stoked to own two Rivs- a Waterford Hunqapillar and a Toyo >>>>>> Atlantis. >>>>>> >>>>>> The Hunq was my first bike from Rivendell which I bought new in 2015. >>>>>> I had the great pleasure of working with Keven M on ordering and dialing >>>>>> the bike in. Right out of the box it was a go-anywhere, do-anything >>>>>> bike, >>>>>> and it has been tested to its limits all over the world. Or, should I >>>>>> say, >>>>>> it has tested my limits! This is the One-Bike-To-Rule-Them-All as far as >>>>>> I'm concerned. >>>>>> [image: IMG_6440.jpeg] >>>>>> >>>>>> I was fortunate enough to find a Toyo Atlantis a couple of summers >>>>>> ago in this group. I chose the Atlantis because I still wanted a >>>>>> trail-worthy bike that could handle a load, but also one that could be >>>>>> pared down for a lighter, more nimble ride. Further, I wanted a bike >>>>>> made >>>>>> in Japan by Toyo because...well...because of my love affair with >>>>>> Japanese >>>>>> dedication to craftsmanship. It's a beautiful bicycle that provides a >>>>>> dreamy ride. >>>>>> [image: Atlantis in the Snow.JPG] >>>>>> >>>>>> As far as the problem of bikes not being ridden enough is concerned, >>>>>> my solution has been to ride all the time and alternate daily- when the >>>>>> Hunq rolls on Monday, then the Atlantis rocks on Tuesday. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, John >>>>>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 3:27:33 PM UTC-8 fra...@gmail.com >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I feel very happy with my 2 Rivendell bikes stable. I use my Clem H >>>>>>> everyday for groceries and towing my daughter around (studded tires >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> fenders now). It could easily be stripped down and be a fantastic dirt >>>>>>> road >>>>>>> exploration bike, but I am fortunate to have a Susie for that and the >>>>>>> Susie >>>>>>> has an incredible ride!I’d love to add something like a Sam for >>>>>>> lighter, >>>>>>> quicker rides, but I’m slow on any bike so I doubt it would make a big >>>>>>> difference. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 2:33:38 PM UTC-8 Ryan wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes...indeed we do, Bill. And all of them have a story >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I do like your thinking >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 3:10:22 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Keith articulated a problem statement: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "The problem is that you end end up with bikes that are >>>>>>>>> specialized or optimized for one thing but don't get ridden enough >>>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>>> - in the end - you're ALWAYS going to just grab the one you like >>>>>>>>> best and >>>>>>>>> fits the best and that you are most familiar with. The one that has >>>>>>>>> become >>>>>>>>> an extension of you." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> While I have no doubt that this kind of things DOES happen, I >>>>>>>>> reject the notion that it MUST happen. People acquire bikes for lots >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> reasons, and later on change their minds about the bike and get rid >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> them. Curating a stable takes effort and self-knowledge, but a >>>>>>>>> well-curated stable is not impossible. Plenty of people have stables >>>>>>>>> of 5, >>>>>>>>> 10 or even more bikes, and are perfectly content to keep them all. >>>>>>>>> N+1 >>>>>>>>> does not require one to fall out of love with another bike. It only >>>>>>>>> depends how much room one has in their heart for bikes. Some of us >>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>> VERY LARGE HEARTS. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Bill "big-hearted" Lindsay >>>>>>>>> El Cerrito, CA >>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 10:43:21 AM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> People typically choose two Rivendell bikes by thinking about >>>>>>>>>> what the eventual third one will be, and by calculating how they >>>>>>>>>> will all >>>>>>>>>> complement each other and round things out. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This sounds sort of tongue-in-cheek, but it's common in practice >>>>>>>>>> because of the addiction/collector gene that all bike geeks possess. >>>>>>>>>> N+1 >>>>>>>>>> is real. You're always going to "think" you need another: One >>>>>>>>>> that's >>>>>>>>>> lighter and suited for long, fast paved trips; or one that has >>>>>>>>>> fatter tires >>>>>>>>>> and is better suited for exploring dirt roads and trails; or better >>>>>>>>>> equipped for loaded touring; or one that's equipped as a town bike >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> shopping and carrying things; or one that's robust and fendered for >>>>>>>>>> winter >>>>>>>>>> commuting. So what seems like an obvious answer is to get two >>>>>>>>>> models that >>>>>>>>>> are as different as possible - like a Roadini and a Gus - to cover >>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>> bases.... but this thinking is a trap. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The problem is that you end end up with bikes that are >>>>>>>>>> specialized or optimized for one thing but don't get ridden enough >>>>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>>>> - in the end - you're ALWAYS going to just grab the one you like >>>>>>>>>> best and >>>>>>>>>> fits the best and that you are most familiar with. The one that has >>>>>>>>>> become >>>>>>>>>> an extension of you. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> My advice would be to do the opposite: Think about the range of >>>>>>>>>> riding that you do on a *regular* basis, and pick two models >>>>>>>>>> separated only by that degree of optimization. If you don't >>>>>>>>>> regularly do >>>>>>>>>> group rides with roadies, you really don't need that Roadini. If >>>>>>>>>> you don't >>>>>>>>>> live in the mountains, you really don't need that Gus. If you don't >>>>>>>>>> plan >>>>>>>>>> to tour - or could get by with a lighter load or credit card the one >>>>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>>>> you do - then you don't really need an Atlantis. You can ALWAYS do >>>>>>>>>> those >>>>>>>>>> things on any other Rivendell model. You might just go a tiny bit >>>>>>>>>> slower. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> With this thinking, you'll admittedly end up with bikes with a >>>>>>>>>> lot of functional overlap, but I promise you'll use both of them >>>>>>>>>> more. If >>>>>>>>>> you tinker with one at a time, you can also experiment with things >>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>> different cockpit setups and gearing and tires to your heart's >>>>>>>>>> content, >>>>>>>>>> without finding yourself without a bike to ride mid-project, while >>>>>>>>>> you're >>>>>>>>>> tracking down some obscure spacer or ferrule that you didn't know >>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>> needed. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So unless you really DO participate in those more extreme >>>>>>>>>> activities, you could maybe get a Sam if your tire and fender >>>>>>>>>> clearance are >>>>>>>>>> good but you think you'll regularly need a stiffer frame than the >>>>>>>>>> Platypus. Or get a Clem L if you like the step-through but >>>>>>>>>> regularly need >>>>>>>>>> fatter tires than the Platypus. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Leah, when faced with your exact quandary, did the smartest thing >>>>>>>>>> ever and just got a second Platypus! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I started accumulating rivendells (and other bikes) at a >>>>>>>>>> different time. Compared to the much older and more speciaiized >>>>>>>>>> ones that >>>>>>>>>> I own, the current range of Rivendell bikes - with the longer top >>>>>>>>>> tubes and >>>>>>>>>> longer chainstays and slacker head angles and increased tire >>>>>>>>>> clearance - >>>>>>>>>> across the entire range - are SO good. Combined with the ready >>>>>>>>>> availability of quality, fat tires now on the market, it's hard to >>>>>>>>>> make a >>>>>>>>>> mistake. I often think how much simpler my life would be if I got >>>>>>>>>> rid of >>>>>>>>>> most of what I have and chose one new one - but I'm too emotionally >>>>>>>>>> attached still. So many now hang un-used... making me feel >>>>>>>>>> guilty... >>>>>>>>>> while I inevitably grab the "one." >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Monday, December 5, 2022 at 10:52:42 PM UTC-7 Masa wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, I would like to ask you how you would choose 2 >>>>>>>>>>> Rivendells if you could own. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Which models? What kind of purposes? What kind of weather? What >>>>>>>>>>> kind of roads? Any definition is welcome. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm currently riding a Platypus and I feel like I can ride it >>>>>>>>>>> everywhere for any purpose as Riv says it's an All-rounder so I >>>>>>>>>>> just would >>>>>>>>>>> like to know how you would add one more Riv or how you are riding 2 >>>>>>>>>>> Rivs >>>>>>>>>>> already as a reference (possibly for my future 2nd Riv). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I hope you enjoy the topic! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Masa >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/9cc7df49-fdbd-472e-9ff8-f8259ec054c9n%40googlegroups.com.
