I'm one of the few people who prefer sidepulls over cantis or v-brakes. I bought one of the last Cheviots, which had sidepull caliper brakes for my wife. I wouldn't have bought it if it had required V-brakes or Cantis as I have never been able to even replace brake pads on those without causing squeal. I actually think that Disc brakes are better than either of those for my riding style, though not as good as sidepulls. In any case, as Joe pointed out --- there are plenty of canti or v-brake bikes in the Rivendell lineup. No need to begrudge us sidepull fans 3 models.
On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 6:13:39 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote: > I would have to agree with that thinking, the number of "use v-brakes and > sweptback bars" frames in the lineup is already extensive. I don't think > the Gallop benefits (from a marketing perspective) from moving closer to > the Hillborne's mission. > > On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 6:35:05 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote: > >> Yeah I think it had to do with the brake pull situation. Most road brakes >> won't match with v brakes which means if you have a road setup vs a >> mountain setup you would need cantis or mini-v's. Since there are >> decreasing options for cantis they were leaning on mini-v's but I guess >> they didn't care for the options there. So they went back on the "designed >> for sweptbacks" and decided to push the albastache bars and road brakes. >> This is all a theory based on some of the stuff I remember reading from >> them. >> >> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 9:07:55 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote: >> >>> Correct; last word is that production will use long reach sidepulls. >>> Rarely has this entire group been so unanimously in opposition of a design >>> decision from Riv as their choosing to do so. I am very curious why they >>> went with this decision - the argument that it's a road-ish bike and >>> therefore caliper brakes make sense is a flimsy one. >>> >>> Especially considering how much tire the proto's fit! For fun, I tried >>> 650x55 (note: frame is 700c) and there was actually loads of clearance on >>> the frame - at least 8mm everywhere. Fork was tighter but still about 4mm >>> clearance. Not much reason to do this vs. a Susie but it was a fun >>> experiment. >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 5:43 PM Ryan Frahm <fra...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Are there not going to be canti mounts on the production? That’s a huge >>>> mistake (deal breaker) in my opinion. These look like such a nice and fun >>>> bikes! >>>> >>>> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 11:55:49 AM UTC-7 Stephen wrote: >>>> >>>>> Jason, it looks like such a solid and perfect commuter, I was >>>>> surprised when you let it go. Makes me want one, if only production >>>>> models >>>>> had canti posts... Its nice having a dedicated fendered and racked bike. >>>>> I >>>>> recently took off the front basket rack from my Joe to take it on some >>>>> single track adventures. It was meant to be temporary but the lightened >>>>> front end feels so good.. makes me want to have a different dedicated >>>>> basket rack/fender city bike. Bikesnob had some similar musings about his >>>>> rock combo and homer recently. >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 12:34:08 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks Dustin, Eric - indeed it's an Abus Bordo lock. A little >>>>>> heavier than a similar strength U-lock but it's handy having it on the >>>>>> frame where I can't forget it. I'm glad to hear the production run is >>>>>> secured it sounds like, I suppose the quietness is just because they're >>>>>> in >>>>>> the waiting phase now. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Monday, 24 April 2023 at 08:28:07 UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Looks great, Jason, and sounds like a good compliment to your other >>>>>>> bikes. It's cool to have your rigs squared and sorted for particular >>>>>>> purposes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dustin — I'm not 100% but I think that might be a seat-tube mounted >>>>>>> folding lock that has a cage that mounts to the bottle bosses. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 11:13:33 AM UTC-4 DJC wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I spoke with Vince three or four months ago about the Charlie >>>>>>>> project and he said they have it slotted for a 2024 production run. >>>>>>>> Hopefully this will happen, as I'm definitely interested in one as a >>>>>>>> daily >>>>>>>> commuter to complement my Clem H. The Clem is my workhorse and heavy >>>>>>>> hauler, whereas the Charlie would be my "fast" commuter. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 11:11:56 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Been a little while since this thread was updated - in fact, I >>>>>>>>> sold mine around the time of the last post, but recently bought it >>>>>>>>> back >>>>>>>>> from the friend I'd sold it to as I realized my mistake! I rebuilt it >>>>>>>>> similarly to before, but with a few differences such as a B17 vs C17 >>>>>>>>> saddle, triple crankset with early 90's XT, silver fenders.. but the >>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>> bars plugged back in without so much as being unwrapped. It's truly >>>>>>>>> ideal >>>>>>>>> for my everyday needs and I was crazy to have sold it in the first >>>>>>>>> place - >>>>>>>>> now the Bombadil can be retired from commuting duties and as such, be >>>>>>>>> reconfigured to focus on adventure and bikepacking. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I haven't heard much out of Riv on this bike... wonder if it's >>>>>>>>> still on the books?? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [image: PXL_20230423_164506068.jpg] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 17 November 2022 at 10:44:40 UTC-8 maxcr wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks Abe, that's super helpful. I'm coming from an analog 0mm >>>>>>>>>> extension (w)right stem and I used (I think) a 100mm Nitto stem near >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> the minimum insertion line >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Next experiment will be to flip the albatross, I have long arms >>>>>>>>>> so maybe that will work better for me. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Max >>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 5:45:55 PM UTC-5 Pancake wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [image: IMG_2063.jpg] >>>>>>>>>>> [image: IMG_2064.jpg] >>>>>>>>>>> [image: IMG_2076.jpg] >>>>>>>>>>> FYI, after this photos I adjusted the inner bar ends a bit and >>>>>>>>>>> will again as I putz around on it. I have some inner bar ends in >>>>>>>>>>> the mail >>>>>>>>>>> too which are like the SQLabs model, but these longer (150mm) bar >>>>>>>>>>> ends are >>>>>>>>>>> pretty cozy so I'll try them both. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 2:18:39 PM UTC-8 Pancake >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, changed stems: >>>>>>>>>>>> Soma Portola with 6cm extension Technomic >>>>>>>>>>>> Nitto Labarross with 10cm extension Technomic >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Both were raised pretty high but the Albatross is nearly the >>>>>>>>>>>> the minimum insertion line (1cm shy) while the Portola was about >>>>>>>>>>>> 4cm shy of >>>>>>>>>>>> min insertion line. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I’m a heavy guy with long torso and short legs, brooks B17 >>>>>>>>>>>> saddle almost as far back as it will go on a S83 setback seatpost. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The Albatross bar setup is the same stem/bar setup I used on my >>>>>>>>>>>> Cheviot. With the inner bar ends I get tons of added forward reach >>>>>>>>>>>> to pull >>>>>>>>>>>> on or lean into, if I didn’t have those I’d probably want at least >>>>>>>>>>>> 11cm of >>>>>>>>>>>> stem extension though. Any less than 10cm extension and I’d worry >>>>>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>>>>> knee strikes on the ends of the albatross bars when they’re this >>>>>>>>>>>> low. And I >>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn’t use bar end shifters with the current setup for the Sam >>>>>>>>>>>> reason. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> My next move is to try swapping the Nexus rd for an XT rapid >>>>>>>>>>>> rise rd with a 13t lower pulley wheel (replacing the 11t >>>>>>>>>>>> original). The >>>>>>>>>>>> Nexus doesn’t take kindly to heavy pedaling pressure uphill in a >>>>>>>>>>>> low gear, >>>>>>>>>>>> it starts to skip. This is probably because I’ve got it way past >>>>>>>>>>>> the max >>>>>>>>>>>> gear size and chain wrap capacities (46/30t crankset, 11-40t >>>>>>>>>>>> cassette). If >>>>>>>>>>>> I was less heavy I suspect it wouldn’t be a problem, but I’m >>>>>>>>>>>> hoping the >>>>>>>>>>>> wider wrap/capacity of the XT rd will eliminate this issue. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> In the “hoods” (pulling on the inner bar ends) the Charlie is a >>>>>>>>>>>> rocket that pulls my weight off the seat to pedal harder and >>>>>>>>>>>> faster like in >>>>>>>>>>>> the drops or hoods. On the hand grips I’m in “sit up and beg” mode >>>>>>>>>>>> - very >>>>>>>>>>>> tall to see well in traffic and nice for standing up as I pedal >>>>>>>>>>>> uphills, >>>>>>>>>>>> but relaxed enough to putter around town for as long as I could >>>>>>>>>>>> want. The >>>>>>>>>>>> long arm (e.g., normal) v-brakes are just perfect and so strong I >>>>>>>>>>>> can’t >>>>>>>>>>>> imagine ever wishing for disc brakes. What a fun and versatile >>>>>>>>>>>> bike! These >>>>>>>>>>>> should sell out every time, it’s the best Riv I’ve been on (which >>>>>>>>>>>> includes: >>>>>>>>>>>> Cheviot, Sam Hillborne, Saluki, Homer, Gus, Suzie, Rosco Baby). >>>>>>>>>>>> Fast like >>>>>>>>>>>> Homer, strong and versatile like Sam, better braking than any >>>>>>>>>>>> other, swoopy >>>>>>>>>>>> goodness. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Abe >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 16, 2022, at 1:51 PM, maxcr <max.fai...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Abe, I forgot to ask, did you change the stem length going >>>>>>>>>>>> from the Soma Portola to the Albatross? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Max >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 4:41:21 PM UTC-5 maxcr wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I also recently installed Albatross bars (not upside down) on >>>>>>>>>>>>> my Charlie, but I think I need to tweak them. I haven't installed >>>>>>>>>>>>> my grips >>>>>>>>>>>>> yet, but after a quick 20m ride my hands/wrists made it clear >>>>>>>>>>>>> that the >>>>>>>>>>>>> angle wasn't working. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is a photo of the process, I'll post the new setup once I >>>>>>>>>>>>> have the grips finalized. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: IMG_8661 (1).jpeg] >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I do like the Paul levers / Paul v-brake combo, brakes feel >>>>>>>>>>>>> better than the cane creek ones I had on the noodles. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Abe, would you mind posting a side photo of your CHG? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Max, always tinkering in Boston >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:01:32 PM UTC-5 Scott wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Excellent...thanks for the report, Abe! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 03:57:58 PM MST, Abe Gardner >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <abe.g...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Schwable G-One Allround 700x50. Fits nicely, great for gravel >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and chunky pavement; very good on smooth pavement. Slight noise >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on pavement >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but only compared to Snoqualmie Pass (700x44mm) tire smoothness. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’d love >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to try Hatcher Pass (700x48mm smooth) next but thes G-One >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Allrounds are >>>>>>>>>>>>>> super (and cheaper by a small bit vs. Rene Herse tires). >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m running them with tubes that have some Stan’s sealant >>>>>>>>>>>>>> inside - never a flat but currently a slow leak that probably >>>>>>>>>>>>>> resolved with >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the sealant since my lunch time ride. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Abe >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 15, 2022, at 2:21 PM, 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bunch <rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What tires are those, Abe? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 01:17:34 PM MST, Pancake < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> abe.g...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <C4176DC6-AD02-4CDD-9BC2-C9C4BC167FFC.jpeg> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <A3B1A5B2-3946-48CF-8155-370280D0D8AD.jpeg> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I put albatross bars on my Charlie, mounted them upside down >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and raise the stem way high. This gives me a better grip towards >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the front >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the curves of the bar, but I also put some bar ends at the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> most forward >>>>>>>>>>>>>> point, so they give a on the hoods type of position as well. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> very nice for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pulling on and leading down into the wind. Open to suggestions >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on where to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> mount the shifters, they feel pretty good mounted towards the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> center. I’m >>>>>>>>>>>>>> really enjoying the bar is mounted upside down, it’s just a more >>>>>>>>>>>>>> comfortable way to hold in the curves. I am on a Nitto >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Technomic, 10 cm >>>>>>>>>>>>>> extension stem, this leaves the hand grips about level with the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> saddle at >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the maximum insertion point. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> V- brakes! Switching to the albatross bars, with cheap, avid >>>>>>>>>>>>>> levers, and nice DRX brake arms improoves the braking >>>>>>>>>>>>>> dramatically. It’s >>>>>>>>>>>>>> really night and day compared to calipers or the short arm >>>>>>>>>>>>>> v-brakes I was >>>>>>>>>>>>>> using before. The stopping power both better modulated and much >>>>>>>>>>>>>> stronger. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> But the weird, unnecessarily, strong mechanical advantage of a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> short arm >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (85mm) V- brakes is gone. Long arm v-brakes are the only way to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> go. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m sure I’ll shift the cockpit around but so far super happy >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the change (from Soma Portola drop bars and TRP RRL brake >>>>>>>>>>>>>> levers with >>>>>>>>>>>>>> lite pro short arm v brakes). >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Abe >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/8c3d6668-0226-42a1-ac48-bcd0562c3414n%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/8c3d6668-0226-42a1-ac48-bcd0562c3414n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> topic in the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/j5vUNKjgsUE/unsubscribe >>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an >>>>>>>>>>>>>> email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/1957388405.558885.1668550842559%40mail.yahoo.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/1957388405.558885.1668550842559%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <C4176DC6-AD02-4CDD-9BC2-C9C4BC167FFC.jpeg> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <A3B1A5B2-3946-48CF-8155-370280D0D8AD.jpeg> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/FAD46064-3B72-4DD8-9AE6-58074CEB86D1%40gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/FAD46064-3B72-4DD8-9AE6-58074CEB86D1%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic >>>>>>>>>>>> in the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/j5vUNKjgsUE/unsubscribe >>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an >>>>>>>>>>>> email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/dd80b2db-3bbf-4fe4-875b-739941b04bfen%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/dd80b2db-3bbf-4fe4-875b-739941b04bfen%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >>>> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/j5vUNKjgsUE/unsubscribe >>>> . >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>>> rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>> >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/010dfa00-0480-4683-b6e2-aebfa3298ab5n%40googlegroups.com >>>> >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/010dfa00-0480-4683-b6e2-aebfa3298ab5n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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