I have zero issues with the effectiveness of sidepulls. I used them for years and years. I just think that the cantiposts gives you a lot more options for brakes (cant's, v, or mini-v) AND allow for using larger tires.
On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 11:35:31 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote: > I remember back in the days before V-brakes and disc brakes when numerous > cyclo-tourists and Tour de France racers were going over cliffs on mountain > descents because sidepulls and centerpulls don't work - *N**OT.* > But I do remember when you adjusted the toe-in of your brake pad by > twisting the caliper arms with a big crescent wrench in order to eliminate > squeal. > > Laing > On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 11:02:03 AM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com wrote: > >> I'm one of the few people who prefer sidepulls over cantis or v-brakes. I >> bought one of the last Cheviots, which had sidepull caliper brakes for my >> wife. I wouldn't have bought it if it had required V-brakes or Cantis as I >> have never been able to even replace brake pads on those without causing >> squeal. I actually think that Disc brakes are better than either of those >> for my riding style, though not as good as sidepulls. In any case, as Joe >> pointed out --- there are plenty of canti or v-brake bikes in the Rivendell >> lineup. No need to begrudge us sidepull fans 3 models. >> >> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 6:13:39 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote: >> >>> I would have to agree with that thinking, the number of "use v-brakes >>> and sweptback bars" frames in the lineup is already extensive. I don't >>> think the Gallop benefits (from a marketing perspective) from moving closer >>> to the Hillborne's mission. >>> >>> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 6:35:05 PM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote: >>> >>>> Yeah I think it had to do with the brake pull situation. Most road >>>> brakes won't match with v brakes which means if you have a road setup vs a >>>> mountain setup you would need cantis or mini-v's. Since there are >>>> decreasing options for cantis they were leaning on mini-v's but I guess >>>> they didn't care for the options there. So they went back on the "designed >>>> for sweptbacks" and decided to push the albastache bars and road brakes. >>>> This is all a theory based on some of the stuff I remember reading from >>>> them. >>>> >>>> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 9:07:55 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote: >>>> >>>>> Correct; last word is that production will use long reach sidepulls. >>>>> Rarely has this entire group been so unanimously in opposition of a >>>>> design >>>>> decision from Riv as their choosing to do so. I am very curious why they >>>>> went with this decision - the argument that it's a road-ish bike and >>>>> therefore caliper brakes make sense is a flimsy one. >>>>> >>>>> Especially considering how much tire the proto's fit! For fun, I >>>>> tried 650x55 (note: frame is 700c) and there was actually loads of >>>>> clearance on the frame - at least 8mm everywhere. Fork was tighter but >>>>> still about 4mm clearance. Not much reason to do this vs. a Susie but it >>>>> was a fun experiment. >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 5:43 PM Ryan Frahm <fra...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Are there not going to be canti mounts on the production? That’s a >>>>>> huge mistake (deal breaker) in my opinion. These look like such a nice >>>>>> and >>>>>> fun bikes! >>>>>> >>>>>> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 11:55:49 AM UTC-7 Stephen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Jason, it looks like such a solid and perfect commuter, I was >>>>>>> surprised when you let it go. Makes me want one, if only production >>>>>>> models >>>>>>> had canti posts... Its nice having a dedicated fendered and racked >>>>>>> bike. I >>>>>>> recently took off the front basket rack from my Joe to take it on some >>>>>>> single track adventures. It was meant to be temporary but the lightened >>>>>>> front end feels so good.. makes me want to have a different dedicated >>>>>>> basket rack/fender city bike. Bikesnob had some similar musings about >>>>>>> his >>>>>>> rock combo and homer recently. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 12:34:08 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks Dustin, Eric - indeed it's an Abus Bordo lock. A little >>>>>>>> heavier than a similar strength U-lock but it's handy having it on the >>>>>>>> frame where I can't forget it. I'm glad to hear the production run is >>>>>>>> secured it sounds like, I suppose the quietness is just because >>>>>>>> they're in >>>>>>>> the waiting phase now. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Monday, 24 April 2023 at 08:28:07 UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Looks great, Jason, and sounds like a good compliment to your >>>>>>>>> other bikes. It's cool to have your rigs squared and sorted for >>>>>>>>> particular >>>>>>>>> purposes. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dustin — I'm not 100% but I think that might be a seat-tube >>>>>>>>> mounted folding lock that has a cage that mounts to the bottle >>>>>>>>> bosses. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 11:13:33 AM UTC-4 DJC wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I spoke with Vince three or four months ago about the Charlie >>>>>>>>>> project and he said they have it slotted for a 2024 production run. >>>>>>>>>> Hopefully this will happen, as I'm definitely interested in one as a >>>>>>>>>> daily >>>>>>>>>> commuter to complement my Clem H. The Clem is my workhorse and heavy >>>>>>>>>> hauler, whereas the Charlie would be my "fast" commuter. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 11:11:56 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Been a little while since this thread was updated - in fact, I >>>>>>>>>>> sold mine around the time of the last post, but recently bought it >>>>>>>>>>> back >>>>>>>>>>> from the friend I'd sold it to as I realized my mistake! I rebuilt >>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>> similarly to before, but with a few differences such as a B17 vs >>>>>>>>>>> C17 >>>>>>>>>>> saddle, triple crankset with early 90's XT, silver fenders.. but >>>>>>>>>>> the same >>>>>>>>>>> bars plugged back in without so much as being unwrapped. It's truly >>>>>>>>>>> ideal >>>>>>>>>>> for my everyday needs and I was crazy to have sold it in the first >>>>>>>>>>> place - >>>>>>>>>>> now the Bombadil can be retired from commuting duties and as such, >>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>> reconfigured to focus on adventure and bikepacking. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I haven't heard much out of Riv on this bike... wonder if it's >>>>>>>>>>> still on the books?? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [image: PXL_20230423_164506068.jpg] >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, 17 November 2022 at 10:44:40 UTC-8 maxcr wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Abe, that's super helpful. I'm coming from an analog 0mm >>>>>>>>>>>> extension (w)right stem and I used (I think) a 100mm Nitto stem >>>>>>>>>>>> near the >>>>>>>>>>>> the minimum insertion line >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Next experiment will be to flip the albatross, I have long arms >>>>>>>>>>>> so maybe that will work better for me. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Max >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 5:45:55 PM UTC-5 Pancake >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: IMG_2063.jpg] >>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: IMG_2064.jpg] >>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: IMG_2076.jpg] >>>>>>>>>>>>> FYI, after this photos I adjusted the inner bar ends a bit and >>>>>>>>>>>>> will again as I putz around on it. I have some inner bar ends in >>>>>>>>>>>>> the mail >>>>>>>>>>>>> too which are like the SQLabs model, but these longer (150mm) bar >>>>>>>>>>>>> ends are >>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty cozy so I'll try them both. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 2:18:39 PM UTC-8 Pancake >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, changed stems: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Soma Portola with 6cm extension Technomic >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nitto Labarross with 10cm extension Technomic >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Both were raised pretty high but the Albatross is nearly the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the minimum insertion line (1cm shy) while the Portola was about >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4cm shy of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> min insertion line. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m a heavy guy with long torso and short legs, brooks B17 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> saddle almost as far back as it will go on a S83 setback >>>>>>>>>>>>>> seatpost. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Albatross bar setup is the same stem/bar setup I used on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> my Cheviot. With the inner bar ends I get tons of added forward >>>>>>>>>>>>>> reach to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pull on or lean into, if I didn’t have those I’d probably want >>>>>>>>>>>>>> at least >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11cm of stem extension though. Any less than 10cm extension and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’d worry >>>>>>>>>>>>>> about knee strikes on the ends of the albatross bars when >>>>>>>>>>>>>> they’re this low. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And I wouldn’t use bar end shifters with the current setup for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Sam >>>>>>>>>>>>>> reason. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> My next move is to try swapping the Nexus rd for an XT rapid >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rise rd with a 13t lower pulley wheel (replacing the 11t >>>>>>>>>>>>>> original). The >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nexus doesn’t take kindly to heavy pedaling pressure uphill in a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> low gear, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it starts to skip. This is probably because I’ve got it way past >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the max >>>>>>>>>>>>>> gear size and chain wrap capacities (46/30t crankset, 11-40t >>>>>>>>>>>>>> cassette). If >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was less heavy I suspect it wouldn’t be a problem, but I’m >>>>>>>>>>>>>> hoping the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wider wrap/capacity of the XT rd will eliminate this issue. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the “hoods” (pulling on the inner bar ends) the Charlie is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a rocket that pulls my weight off the seat to pedal harder and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> faster like >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the drops or hoods. On the hand grips I’m in “sit up and beg” >>>>>>>>>>>>>> mode - >>>>>>>>>>>>>> very tall to see well in traffic and nice for standing up as I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pedal >>>>>>>>>>>>>> uphills, but relaxed enough to putter around town for as long as >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could >>>>>>>>>>>>>> want. The long arm (e.g., normal) v-brakes are just perfect and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> so strong I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> can’t imagine ever wishing for disc brakes. What a fun and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> versatile bike! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> These should sell out every time, it’s the best Riv I’ve been on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (which >>>>>>>>>>>>>> includes: Cheviot, Sam Hillborne, Saluki, Homer, Gus, Suzie, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rosco Baby). >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fast like Homer, strong and versatile like Sam, better braking >>>>>>>>>>>>>> than any >>>>>>>>>>>>>> other, swoopy goodness. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Abe >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 16, 2022, at 1:51 PM, maxcr <max.fai...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Abe, I forgot to ask, did you change the stem length going >>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the Soma Portola to the Albatross? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Max >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 4:41:21 PM UTC-5 maxcr >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I also recently installed Albatross bars (not upside down) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on my Charlie, but I think I need to tweak them. I haven't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> installed my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grips yet, but after a quick 20m ride my hands/wrists made it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clear that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the angle wasn't working. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is a photo of the process, I'll post the new setup once >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have the grips finalized. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: IMG_8661 (1).jpeg] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do like the Paul levers / Paul v-brake combo, brakes feel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better than the cane creek ones I had on the noodles. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Abe, would you mind posting a side photo of your CHG? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Max, always tinkering in Boston >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:01:32 PM UTC-5 Scott >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Excellent...thanks for the report, Abe! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 03:57:58 PM MST, Abe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gardner <abe.g...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Schwable G-One Allround 700x50. Fits nicely, great for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gravel and chunky pavement; very good on smooth pavement. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Slight noise on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pavement but only compared to Snoqualmie Pass (700x44mm) tire >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> smoothness. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’d love to try Hatcher Pass (700x48mm smooth) next but thes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> G-One >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Allrounds are super (and cheaper by a small bit vs. Rene Herse >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tires). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m running them with tubes that have some Stan’s sealant >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inside - never a flat but currently a slow leak that probably >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resolved with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the sealant since my lunch time ride. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Abe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 15, 2022, at 2:21 PM, 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bunch <rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What tires are those, Abe? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 01:17:34 PM MST, Pancake < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> abe.g...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <C4176DC6-AD02-4CDD-9BC2-C9C4BC167FFC.jpeg> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <A3B1A5B2-3946-48CF-8155-370280D0D8AD.jpeg> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I put albatross bars on my Charlie, mounted them upside >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> down and raise the stem way high. This gives me a better grip >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> towards the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> front of the curves of the bar, but I also put some bar ends >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at the most >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forward point, so they give a on the hoods type of position as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well. very >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nice for pulling on and leading down into the wind. Open to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggestions on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where to mount the shifters, they feel pretty good mounted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> towards the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> center. I’m really enjoying the bar is mounted upside down, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it’s just a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more comfortable way to hold in the curves. I am on a Nitto >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Technomic, 10 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cm extension stem, this leaves the hand grips about level with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the saddle >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at the maximum insertion point. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> V- brakes! Switching to the albatross bars, with cheap, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> avid levers, and nice DRX brake arms improoves the braking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dramatically. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It’s really night and day compared to calipers or the short >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> arm v-brakes I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was using before. The stopping power both better modulated and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stronger. But the weird, unnecessarily, strong mechanical >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> advantage of a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> short arm (85mm) V- brakes is gone. Long arm v-brakes are the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only way to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> go. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m sure I’ll shift the cockpit around but so far super >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happy with the change (from Soma Portola drop bars and TRP RRL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brake levers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with lite pro short arm v brakes). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Abe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from it, send an email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/8c3d6668-0226-42a1-ac48-bcd0562c3414n%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/8c3d6668-0226-42a1-ac48-bcd0562c3414n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> topic in the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/j5vUNKjgsUE/unsubscribe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/1957388405.558885.1668550842559%40mail.yahoo.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/1957388405.558885.1668550842559%40mail.yahoo.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <C4176DC6-AD02-4CDD-9BC2-C9C4BC167FFC.jpeg> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <A3B1A5B2-3946-48CF-8155-370280D0D8AD.jpeg> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from it, send an email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/FAD46064-3B72-4DD8-9AE6-58074CEB86D1%40gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/FAD46064-3B72-4DD8-9AE6-58074CEB86D1%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> topic in the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/j5vUNKjgsUE/unsubscribe >>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an >>>>>>>>>>>>>> email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/dd80b2db-3bbf-4fe4-875b-739941b04bfen%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/dd80b2db-3bbf-4fe4-875b-739941b04bfen%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in >>>>>> the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/j5vUNKjgsUE/unsubscribe >>>>>> . >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>>>>> rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/010dfa00-0480-4683-b6e2-aebfa3298ab5n%40googlegroups.com >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/010dfa00-0480-4683-b6e2-aebfa3298ab5n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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