You look fantastic, Jock. Just plain *fit. * Kudos and bravo and all that 
stuff. I love your description of happy country rides, lost in your 
thoughts. I am going to try to squeeze one of those in tomorrow. But guess 
what I’m doing after that? I got talked into brining my Platypus to an 
intro to gravel biking ride. Ha!

On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 1:32:19 PM UTC-4 John Dewey wrote:

> I've been engaged with the pros / cons of group rides for many years. And, 
> despite my best efforts to see it clearly, I still waffle to and fro.
>
> These days, I'm always the only guy riding fly-by-wire steel and have 
> little in common with the folks on plastic bikes. There is no idle talk 
> about equipment (most drop their bikes off to have tires mounted). But I 
> like a well-organized paceline because it makes me stronger and builds 
> fitness. I have no lofty goals other than being able to ride 50 miles with 
> ease. In this regard, riding with a strong group is a means to an end. I 
> also feed on the euphoria of living the moment. It's exhilarating—the 
> speed, the awareness, the 'aliveness'...maybe even* the danger*. 
>
> There is no past, no future, only *now*.
>
> But I enjoy—equally—long rides out into the countryside all by myself. I 
> never *feel* alone; I'm not concerned for my safety. I love the silence 
> and amuse myself as I get lost in my head. Though we are lured by the 
> comfort as miles pass by, we must always be sharp, vigilant, and prepared, 
> because each turn leads to the unknown regardless of how many times we've 
> pedaled down the road.
>
> I am quite a bit older than all my riding mates...that reality is hard to 
> ignore. I don't think about it much—as I *feel *youthful and prepared for 
> adventure. But some numbers cannot be ignored. The paceline distorts this 
> reality...and brushes it aside if only temporarily. 
>
> At this point in my life, that's reward enough.
>
> Jock Dewey 
>
> [image: Screenshot 2023-05-17 at 9.41.22 AM.png]
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 6:58 AM Ted Durant <tedd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 5:36:22 AM UTC-5 Jay LePree wrote:
>>
>>  I  think this is exacerbated by the growth of Swift, etc.  Riders have 
>> increasingly big engines, but not the riding skills to harness them safely 
>> in a group ride.  
>>
>>
>> That's been a subject of conversation at the pro level, where people are 
>> being picked up out of Zwift Academy and getting pro contracts.  Even 
>> before then, I saw lots of people with plenty of power but no group riding 
>> skills create chaos in the pack. 
>>
>> What keeps me away from group rides these days, aside from becoming an 
>> old fart, is the rampant blowing off of traffic signals and "itching for a 
>> fight" attitude cyclists take toward car drivers. Also, as Paul Fournel 
>> says in _Need For The Bike_, "Hell is the rhythm of others." 
>>
>> The guy I do most my riding with smiles and waves at everyone, regardless 
>> of how polite or impolite the encounter. And, he and I share the same 
>> rhythm 99.9% of the time. 
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee, WI USA
>>
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