Aw, thanks, Jason! 

Everything you say is true about the challenges of riding an upright bike. 
I have thought about drop bars but I’ve never used them and I don’t think I 
want to, even if they help. I see the other riders shaking the numbness out 
of their hands and I just don’t think I could get used to it. 

In sum, to address what many people said earlier in the thread:

 I know that the Platypus isn’t the ideal club ride bike; Grant himself has 
told me this. But I just *like* my Platypus. It’s pretty and comfortable 
and special and I’m attached. There will come a time when its limits will 
either make me decide I don’t want to expend the effort OR I just flat 
won’t be able to keep up. But until then, I am not planning on a “real” 
road bike. 

Just a Racing Platypus.
Leah

On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 1:39:38 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Late to the conversation - great story-telling as always, and highly 
> relatable Leah!  I have certainly been there, although maybe not entirely 
> by surprise in my case. I ride with friends who have very fast, lightweight 
> bikes and I'm never totally sure how much to blame my bike vs. my legs, but 
> for sure they both play a role.  
>
> I've been consistently amazed by how effortlessly you've been able to hang 
> onto group rides with folks on more typical road bikes, because as much as 
> I love an upright Riv, it definitely takes more effort to go the same 
> speed.  On flat ground, you lose a bit due to aerodynamics but as you say, 
> it's the hills where the difference really becomes significant and I think 
> it's largely to do with body position - on our slack seat tube, upright bar 
> bikes we're rotated too far back once the road points upwards!  Getting 
> forward on the bars helps.  A lot of it is the angle between your legs and 
> torso, and also having your torso rotated forward enough to effectively 
> counter-balance the forces from your pedal strokes. 
>
> I have enjoyed just gearing down and enjoying the scenery but this breaks 
> down if you need to keep up with a fast group 
>
> On Wednesday, 17 May 2023 at 09:23:04 UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> That's a funny story. Long ago my then-wife/now ex-wife decided to try 
>> out the Spinning (tm) class at the nearby gym. Her only cycling experience 
>> was about 25 miles total on our 2 tandems (on the first of which -- wholly 
>> inappropriate lightweight 531C Orbit racing tandem that wagged like a dog 
>> under 2 neophytes -- our inaugural and sole ride ended up with the steerer 
>> breaking and sending both of us over the bar).
>>
>> Anyway, she went to the gym and found it full of die-hard Spinning 
>> aficionados with an aggressive coach. The first kefuffle was that she wore 
>> regular athletic shoes, but they got her more or less sorted, and she 
>> embarked on such a purgatorial ride that about 1/2 way through she came 
>> close to fainting and falling off the machine, stopping the class so others 
>> could resuscitate her and ask her if she needed a doctor (she is a doctor). 
>> That was her last Spinning class. She took up guns and whisky and cigars -- 
>> tough little 5'2" 2nd-gen Taiwan Chinese.
>>
>> On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 10:01 AM Bill Lindsay <tape...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> My comical "getting in over my head" story is not a cycling story, but I 
>>> think it still has familiar emotions
>>>
>>> My wife is an avid flamenco afficionado.  She takes classes multiple 
>>> times per week, attends shows almost every weekend, and savors the Spanish, 
>>> Gypsy and North African cultural streams that all mix together.  The SF Bay 
>>> Area has a small but vibrant flamenco community, so usually if you go to a 
>>> medium sized show with 100 people in the audience, you're going to see 
>>> familiar faces.  At small shows, you might know everybody.  Performers from 
>>> the last show will be in the audience of this show, etc.  One of the 
>>> traditional parts of flamenco is a percussion element.  It's a wooden snare 
>>> drum in the shape of a box.  The Cajon.  The drummer sits on the Cajon and 
>>> plays on the front face of the instrument, making a surprising array of 
>>> sounds.  
>>>
>>> I'm recognized in this small community because I go to a lot of shows, 
>>> but I don't dance, sing, or play an instrument.  My wife had the idea that 
>>> we could learn cajon together.  Several years back, a visitor from Spain 
>>> was holding a workshop in San Francisco, and she signed us up.  The 
>>> description said "all levels welcome".  I asked "will they have a cajon for 
>>> each of us to borrow?"  She said "they must!  All levels!"  
>>>
>>> We got there and every student was a professional percussionist.  There 
>>> were 8 students in total.  Every student had their own cajon, and the class 
>>> was entirely in Spanish.  There were no familiar faces.  My wife and I had 
>>> to play on the tops of our thighs.  My wife was familiar with all the 
>>> rhythms, since she had many years of dancing experience, and was used to 
>>> doing *palmas, *which is the clapping accompaniment that is done at 
>>> flamenco shows. So she did fine.  Then there's me, desperately wanting to 
>>> dig a hole in the ground to crawl into and never be heard from again.  I 
>>> had Literally.  No.  Clue.  The only saving grace is that by being almost 
>>> completely silent I was easy to ignore, so i didn't disrupt anybody else's 
>>> experience.  Also, the experience was sufficiently humiliating to be 
>>> humorous.  Something completely absurd at least gave me the solace "Well, 
>>> this is going to make a good story".  
>>>
>>> There is definitely "pushing the limits" of one's comfort zone, and then 
>>> there is "you do not belong here".  That first cajon experience was 
>>> definitely the latter.  There's pushing oneself up a level, and there's 
>>> imposter syndrome, pretending to belong when you probably don't (or 
>>> thinking you don't belong when you actually do belong).  Finally there is 
>>> being a complete stowaway.  
>>>
>>> Since then, we found a cajon player who had taught classes before COVID 
>>> but had stopped.  We got a small group of friends together to do a beginner 
>>> class.  We host it in our livingroom.  Now we're several months in, and we 
>>> did our first recital on-stage during intermission of a small show.  Our 
>>> teacher, Marlon, is now one of our very close friends.  The cajon my wife 
>>> bought me for Christmas 2015 is more than a coffee table now.  So it's all 
>>> worked out.  
>>>
>>

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