No, my remarks bear only on the question whether setting up fds to shift well and actually shifting them is inherently difficult, particularly with small granny rings. The thrust of the discussion was: "I ditched my fd and found life much easier." And this with regard to granny rings in particular. The numbers and sizes of the cogs are secondary issues, and I only brought up 11+ cog cassettes as a speculative cause why nowadays people don't like fds, particularly with triple drivetrains. Piaw pointed out that you just don't use triples with 11+ cogs, so that's probably a red herring.
Open parenthesis. I do not blame anyone for ditching his or her 2X or 3X because he or she found shifting the fd troublesome. If I found mine troublesome I'd do so too. Close parenthesis. My point was that there seems to be no inherent design flaw or at least major performance liability with fds as such, and that even shifting triple chainrings seemed at least at the time as just "life as usual." But some people like 1Xs because they don't like adjusting and shifting front derailleurs, and that's perfectly fine. Me, find it less complicated to shift the subcompact 2X (42/28 or 26) 10 speed on my Matthews than the 44/36/24 7 speed that was on my Fargo, and I suppose some people carry that one step further and prefer a 1X over a 2X. On Fri, May 19, 2023 at 4:26 PM Piaw Na(藍俊彪) <p...@gmail.com> wrote: > > 24/38/48 was default gearing for triples back in the 7 and 8 speed days; >> well, perhaps 24/36/46 was more typical but I used the former with no >> problem. >> >> My question was: Do wide (11-12-13 cog) cassettes with the wider chain >> angles tend to throw chains off of the grannies in triple ring setups? But >> how common can those be? No one in his right mind would need 3 rings with >> 13 cogs -- I think. >> >> I have yet to see a triple ring setup with a 11s cassette. But the > problem that most people are trying to solve is not enough low gears. Even > though they've added speeds on the back, the moment you switch from a 1x > drivetrain the maximum size of the large sprocket drops dramatically (no > more 51t sprocket). I don't think you can use the 10-52 or 11-51 sprockets > with 2x drivetrains --- neither Shimano nor SRAM will support it. The > default drivetrain from Shimano is a 30/46 crank with a 11-36t cassette. > That's still a higher low gear than a 40t chainring with an 11-51 cassette > and nothing stops the 1x drivetrain user from switching to a 36t front > chainring and getting even lower gears. > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CALuTfguFxUr79dScuTOvGFG7xf8fgLB%3D8TKO2%3Day9rOMW3BiSw%40mail.gmail.com.
