If you don't want to be too upright and want to maintain a bit of the feel 
of drops I highly recommend the choco or losco bars.

On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 10:37:51 AM UTC-4 Valerie Yates wrote:

> For me, when in doubt, try Albatross. Other bars can be hit or miss for me 
> on different frames. The albatross never disappoints me. I just switched my 
> Joe to from Chocomoose to albatross and they feel terrific - free and easy. 
>  
>
> I don’t see a benefit in using a really short stem to maintain drop bars 
> on a Joe. 
>
> On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 8:23:52 AM UTC-6 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> My limited experience with these bikes is that it's probably best to set 
>> them up the way they were designed. That reach is such an important factor 
>> in the comfort of a bike. I've been considering Joes and Sams and 
>> Altantises a lot lately, and if I were to choose a Joe, it would definitely 
>> have either Toscos or Billie bars. I can never imagine my Gus being 
>> comfortable with anything other than upright, swept-back bars (like my 
>> Toscos with a 110 stem), because the reach on the frame is sooooo long. 
>> Even classic models like the Atlantis and the Homer have changed so much 
>> with the extended stays and longer reaches, that I feel like you see less 
>> and less of these newer models with drops these days. Of course, there's 
>> many different body types and styles of riding to factor into it, so to 
>> each their own. Personally, I can't see myself owning another Rivendell 
>> with drop bars unless it was an older, more traditionally designed model.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 29, 2023 at 10:08 AM Ted W <ted.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Got my Appa on Monday, built it yesterday and commuted to work on it 
>>> today. First impressions are that it's exactly what I had hoped for. The 
>>> ride is amazing and it feels so plush while still remaining responsive; 
>>> nimble yet stable. But I think it could still be better and I want to 
>>> channel the wisdom of the group.
>>>
>>> Currently, I have the bike built with drop bars (50cm V/O Randonneur). 
>>> However, I know this frame, like many of the Riv frames, is really built 
>>> with swept back bars in mind. Knowing this, I went with a stem that's about 
>>> half my "typical" length. Unfortunately, it still feels like quite a reach 
>>> to get on the hoods, not impossible, but not "normal". So, this is where my 
>>> question starts:
>>>
>>> Do I continue to try shortening the stem, say to maybe 30-40mm, or do I 
>>> give in to my swept bar destiny and spring for some new bars? And if I go 
>>> with sweeps, which bars do people like on the Appa? I have 65mm Tosco bars 
>>> on my Gus and it's wonderful on that bike, but being that I don't want to 
>>> be quite so upright (and there's not quite as much room) on the Appa. I was 
>>> thinking of going with either Billie or Albatross bars. The two are so 
>>> similar, however, that I'm having a hard time deciding between the two. I'm 
>>> probably splitting hairs, as usual, but I'm genuinely curious to see what 
>>> y'all think.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -- 
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