Albatross bars are pretty versatile  with a large range of positions and 
work well on roadish bikes that see some dirt. I've found that using a stem 
30-40mm longer than my drop bar stem puts the grips of the Albatross bar in 
a more upright position than the tops of the drop bar, and moving my hands 
up to the bends feels like riding on the hoods. You can get even lower by 
moving into the hooks of the Albatross bar and bending your elbows.

A brake lever with a low profile clamp is nice as it lets you place your 
hands anywhere from the grips to the bends comfortably.

-Dave

On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 11:05:07 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> If you don't want to be too upright and want to maintain a bit of the feel 
> of drops I highly recommend the choco or losco bars.
>
> On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 10:37:51 AM UTC-4 Valerie Yates wrote:
>
>> For me, when in doubt, try Albatross. Other bars can be hit or miss for 
>> me on different frames. The albatross never disappoints me. I just switched 
>> my Joe to from Chocomoose to albatross and they feel terrific - free and 
>> easy.  
>>
>> I don’t see a benefit in using a really short stem to maintain drop bars 
>> on a Joe. 
>>
>> On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 8:23:52 AM UTC-6 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> My limited experience with these bikes is that it's probably best to set 
>>> them up the way they were designed. That reach is such an important factor 
>>> in the comfort of a bike. I've been considering Joes and Sams and 
>>> Altantises a lot lately, and if I were to choose a Joe, it would definitely 
>>> have either Toscos or Billie bars. I can never imagine my Gus being 
>>> comfortable with anything other than upright, swept-back bars (like my 
>>> Toscos with a 110 stem), because the reach on the frame is sooooo long. 
>>> Even classic models like the Atlantis and the Homer have changed so much 
>>> with the extended stays and longer reaches, that I feel like you see less 
>>> and less of these newer models with drops these days. Of course, there's 
>>> many different body types and styles of riding to factor into it, so to 
>>> each their own. Personally, I can't see myself owning another Rivendell 
>>> with drop bars unless it was an older, more traditionally designed model.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 29, 2023 at 10:08 AM Ted W <ted.l...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Got my Appa on Monday, built it yesterday and commuted to work on it 
>>>> today. First impressions are that it's exactly what I had hoped for. The 
>>>> ride is amazing and it feels so plush while still remaining responsive; 
>>>> nimble yet stable. But I think it could still be better and I want to 
>>>> channel the wisdom of the group.
>>>>
>>>> Currently, I have the bike built with drop bars (50cm V/O Randonneur). 
>>>> However, I know this frame, like many of the Riv frames, is really built 
>>>> with swept back bars in mind. Knowing this, I went with a stem that's 
>>>> about 
>>>> half my "typical" length. Unfortunately, it still feels like quite a reach 
>>>> to get on the hoods, not impossible, but not "normal". So, this is where 
>>>> my 
>>>> question starts:
>>>>
>>>> Do I continue to try shortening the stem, say to maybe 30-40mm, or do I 
>>>> give in to my swept bar destiny and spring for some new bars? And if I go 
>>>> with sweeps, which bars do people like on the Appa? I have 65mm Tosco bars 
>>>> on my Gus and it's wonderful on that bike, but being that I don't want to 
>>>> be quite so upright (and there's not quite as much room) on the Appa. I 
>>>> was 
>>>> thinking of going with either Billie or Albatross bars. The two are so 
>>>> similar, however, that I'm having a hard time deciding between the two. 
>>>> I'm 
>>>> probably splitting hairs, as usual, but I'm genuinely curious to see what 
>>>> y'all think.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -- 
>>>> Ted Wood < ted.l...@gmail.com >
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